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1/9/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by Elite:

HOlfresh whats up with your love affair with Frye..... There IS NO ARGUEMENT for Frye over Lee.. There just isnt one, so stop trying.

Until 2morrow, when Q comes back, there IS NO ARGUMENT for Lee over Frye!
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1/9/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

correct me if i'm wrong but i believe Curry was playing in the low post last year too... Frye's game hasn't changed a bit from last year to this year other than the fact that he's not nearly as aggressive going to the hole as he was last season... playing like a shooting PF doesn't mean being a passive perimeter shooter on every rotation... he needs to look for his shot more & go after rebounds more aggressively... the fact that D Lee has outshined him in every aspect of the game other than his perimeter shooting is no coincidence... he's simply a better basketball player at this stage in his career imo.

Let me correct you then...Curry was not the focus last year and it was a different style of play...Also, Frye is a talented basketball...So much so that his coach can ask him to do different things to help the team be successful...If it's sitting on the perimeter to free Curry on the inside then so be it...Lee is a tremendous rebounder, passes well and fills the lane..thats it..His defense stinks...He provides no interior presence in terms of blocking shots...Starting him along with Curry is just saying to the world you can drive to the hole whenever you get by our guards..Lee has improved by leaps and bounds this year..Starting him is not helping Curry or the Knicks do what needs to be done and be successful...
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1/9/2007  2:17 PM
DLEE PLAYS PF YOU PUT HIM ON THE BLOCK HE DOESENT HAVE TO SHOOT ANYTHING FURTHER THAN A 15 FOOT SHOT!!!!!!!!!!

What freekin game do you guys follow????

As long as Qrich starts over Jeffries Frye's shot over DLEE'S is a NON ISSUE

LEE IS THE BETTER PLAYER RIGHT NOW BY FAR

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1/9/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Elite:

HOlfresh whats up with your love affair with Frye..... There IS NO ARGUEMENT for Frye over Lee.. There just isnt one, so stop trying.

Until 2morrow, when Q comes back, there IS NO ARGUMENT for Lee over Frye!

Again, who in their right mind is arguing that Q should not start?

Lee over Frye is only if Q is back, yes i agree, but Q is back now
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1/9/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by izybx:
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Posted by TMS:

the only thing Channing did to earn his starting role over D Lee is being picked over him in the draft... he had a good start to his rookie year last year when D Lee was hardly given an opportunity to play... this year there's really nothing he's done to earn his starting spot.

Well I'm not sure about that...Frye said that Isiah ask him to play on the perimeter to stretch the defense to free Curry on the inside...Lee really can't do that...I would love to see Frye play more under the basket and develop his post game...Coming into this year Frye earned his starting spot...If his numbers suffer because his coach ask him to play like a small forward and stay away from the basket, how do you punish him by benching him??


Curry had his best stretch of play all year when Frye was out injured so Frye stretching the defense to benefit Eddy, is a pointless argument.

I dont see how people cant see how before Lee couldnt start because he has NO shot! Now that Qs back there is some lineups that you can put on the floor with Lee that are balanced, but before, what are you going to do, start Curry/Lee/JJ? Curry/Lee/Balkman/ Curry/Frye/Lee? And keep in mind that when Frye was out the lineup people werent doubling Eddy everytime he touched the ball. You really dont think perimeter shooting is needed to balance the offense?!?

Whose saying perimeter shooting isn't important? I'm the guy who wants the stud Wing for this team. The argument is whether or not Channing Frye's perimeter play is truly responsible for Curry playing as well as he has and I don't think it is. Curry's best play of the year came when David Lee was starting at PF next to him and he's not an outsider player.

Currys play is attributed to the guards pounding the ball to him and Curry converting, not because Channing Frye is standing on the perimeter.
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1/9/2007  2:18 PM
Lee is a tremendous rebounder, passes well and fills the lane..thats it

lol... yeah, other than that, he's not starting material... there's logic for ya.
His defense stinks...He provides no interior presence in terms of blocking shots...Starting him along with Curry is just saying to the world you can drive to the hole whenever you get by our guards

whereas Channing is a defensive intimidator in the lane... gotcha... thanks for correcting me.
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1/9/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by Elite:

HOlfresh whats up with your love affair with Frye..... There IS NO ARGUEMENT for Frye over Lee.. There just isnt one, so stop trying.

I'm not going to kill Frye because Isiah ask him to be a jump shooter...I can't wait for Q to come back so he can play on the inside...The guy is a major talent...He is a game that hit some bit shots against Detroit...i want to see more of that..Why on earth would I bench that...
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1/9/2007  2:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
Lee is a tremendous rebounder, passes well and fills the lane..thats it

lol... yeah, other than that, he's not starting material... there's logic for ya.
His defense stinks...He provides no interior presence in terms of blocking shots...Starting him along with Curry is just saying to the world you can drive to the hole whenever you get by our guards

whereas Channing is a defensive intimidator in the lane... gotcha... thanks for correcting me.

He is a better option than Lee on the interior...I think you do what the games right..
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1/9/2007  2:21 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Elite:

HOlfresh whats up with your love affair with Frye..... There IS NO ARGUEMENT for Frye over Lee.. There just isnt one, so stop trying.

I'm not going to kill Frye because Isiah ask him to be a jump shooter...

But you will hold Lee accountable for playing a position he's not suited to play? Sounds pretty fair.
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1/9/2007  2:21 PM
as opposed to frye's defense, he frankly hasn't given us **** all season outside of a couple of games, he plays without balls, doesn't understand how to rebound, can't pass, catch or finish around the hoop.

So when the double comes to curry we kick it out to frye who 90% of the time is in the wrong spot, and gets the ball to fare out, he launches away and misses, or he has to make a pass which isn't a strong suit.....i don't see how you are arguing....

Frye's only value comes against slower players or in a backup center role....
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1/9/2007  2:23 PM
Whose saying perimeter shooting isn't important? I'm the guy who wants the stud Wing for this team. The argument is whether or not Channing Frye's perimeter play is truly responsible for Curry playing as well as he has and I don't think it is. Curry's best play of the year came when David Lee was starting at PF next to him and he's not an outsider player.

Currys play is attributed to the guards pounding the ball to him and Curry converting, not because Channing Frye is standing on the perimeter.

And if Isiah had put Lee in the starting frontcourt with JJ or Balkman you really think he could score in those triple teams that people would throw at him? Cmon dude, I like Curry, but hes no superhero.
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1/9/2007  2:36 PM
channing has nothing to do with eddy's progression, if you have watched eddy this season he is being more assertive, the offense is centered around him, marbury and crawford epecially are getting him the ball right around the basket, and he is more focused and in a little bit better shape, Curry had his best stretch with channing on the self, and with eddys size there aren't any centers that should create a problem with him inside.....

And if crawford or marbury can't knock down an open jumper, with these so called triple teams they shouldn't be in the nba, and lee will knock down a wide open jumper as well
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1/9/2007  2:36 PM
channing has nothing to do with eddy's progression, if you have watched eddy this season he is being more assertive, the offense is centered around him, marbury and crawford epecially are getting him the ball right around the basket, and he is more focused and in a little bit better shape, Curry had his best stretch with channing on the self, and with eddys size there aren't any centers that should create a problem with him inside.....

And if crawford or marbury can't knock down an open jumper, with these so called triple teams they shouldn't be in the nba, and lee will knock down a wide open jumper as well
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1/9/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by MS:

channing has nothing to do with eddy's progression, if you have watched eddy this season he is being more assertive, the offense is centered around him, marbury and crawford epecially are getting him the ball right around the basket, and he is more focused and in a little bit better shape, Curry had his best stretch with channing on the self, and with eddys size there aren't any centers that should create a problem with him inside.....

And if crawford or marbury can't knock down an open jumper, with these so called triple teams they shouldn't be in the nba, and lee will knock down a wide open jumper as well


I have watched Eddy all season, and Ive seen him play well BEFORE he faced double teams and Channing was injured. Then I saw our Eddy-centered offense reduced to nothing because of this amazing plan of doubling him. Whatever, im tired of writing about the same thing. Channing Frye sucks, David Lee has a jumpshot, and even tho Eddy Curry is a role player he can still score when double or triple teames. Some of you guys crack me up.
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1/9/2007  3:06 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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HOlfresh whats up with your love affair with Frye..... There IS NO ARGUEMENT for Frye over Lee.. There just isnt one, so stop trying.

I'm not going to kill Frye because Isiah ask him to be a jump shooter...

But you will hold Lee accountable for playing a position he's not suited to play? Sounds pretty fair.

I kill Lee because he doesn't got out to meet the defender...I won't kill him because Artest dropped 40 on him..I know he can't hold Artest...Stop twisting what I'm saying...I'm saying HE DOES NOT GO OUT TO MEET DEFENDERS ON TOO MANY OCCASIONS...That is different from not being able to hold them...He has to try...
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1/9/2007  3:11 PM
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I kill Lee because he doesn't got out to meet the defender...I won't kill him because Artest dropped 40 on him..I know he can't hold Artest...Stop twisting what I'm saying...I'm saying HE DOES NOT GO OUT TO MEET DEFENDERS ON TOO MANY OCCASIONS...That is different from not being able to hold them...He has to try...


And I've said repeatedly that how do you know Isiah hasn't told Lee to just crash the boards and not worry about anything else?
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1/9/2007  3:15 PM
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I kill Lee because he doesn't got out to meet the defender...I won't kill him because Artest dropped 40 on him..I know he can't hold Artest...Stop twisting what I'm saying...I'm saying HE DOES NOT GO OUT TO MEET DEFENDERS ON TOO MANY OCCASIONS...That is different from not being able to hold them...He has to try...


And I've said repeatedly that how do you know Isiah hasn't told Lee to just crash the boards and not worry about anything else?

Because it's stupid!!!...How could rebounding the ball be more important that defending an open shooter...In the Detroit game, you think it was more important to get the rebound or to defend Delfino at the three point line at the final seconds of the game...
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1/9/2007  3:16 PM
Well Isiah would rather have lee and frye and rose switch onto artest than the new age isiah version of artest balkman, which frankly made no sense to me, since the kid is the best shotblocker and actually has on ball rejections......

And to answer your questions, cato said they don't practice the double team on eddy during practice so if your seeing something new in a game and don't know how to handle it or pass for that matter, eddy rivals on yinka dare in the assist category, some problems are bound to happen
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1/9/2007  3:18 PM
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I kill Lee because he doesn't got out to meet the defender...I won't kill him because Artest dropped 40 on him..I know he can't hold Artest...Stop twisting what I'm saying...I'm saying HE DOES NOT GO OUT TO MEET DEFENDERS ON TOO MANY OCCASIONS...That is different from not being able to hold them...He has to try...


And I've said repeatedly that how do you know Isiah hasn't told Lee to just crash the boards and not worry about anything else?

Because it's stupid!!!...How could rebounding the ball be more important that defending an open shooter...In the Detroit game, you think it was more important to get the rebound or to defend Delfino at the three point line at the final seconds of the game...


Again, you are taking one instance and using it as the Norm. That happened 3 times max and you are pretending like its something that happens 3 times a game. It doesn't.
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1/9/2007  3:18 PM
Or our ****ing brain dead coach doesn't have lee defending delfino, or we could just use a foul to give like isiah had them do against utah, ohh wait we didn't use our foul to give something that a master stategist like the prophet should have picked up on and learned from......

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