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Assuming he's fired after the Giants' disappointing early exit from the postseason this year for the second season in a row, who would u guys want the Giants to hire to replace him?
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1/8/2007  5:31 PM
don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to downplay Feretz... i just don't think he's the right choice for this francise in our current situation... Weiss has close Giant ties & he has a close relationship w/our likely future GM as well... he's always maintained that the Giant head coaching job would be the 1 job he'd consider leaving ND for (according to reports i've heard on sports radio)... he makes a lot of sense from those standpoints alone... plus right now he's a guy who's well known & carries some cache... i'm not sure bringing in a lesser known name would be a good choice considering the players we currently have on this roster, unless of course the plan was to blow this up & rebuild again... i don't think the Giants need to do that... they have the talent to win, they just need the right guy to put it all together.
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1/8/2007  5:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

TMS, I agree with you. Do I think Weis would be more prepared to be an NFL head coach? He probably would be, considering, as you said, his Super Bowl exeperience, theres no disputing that. I just don't think you were giving Ferentz a fair shake, I think he's going to be a hell of a head coach in the NFL when he's ready to make that move and I surely wouldn't mind if the Giants rolled the dice on him.

As for Weis leaving ND. Of course never say never, this kind of thing happens all the time but there is a BUT. ND is Weis's alma mater, he just resigned and he just last week said he would NEVER leave ND and that he's not a liar. Of course I'm paraphrasing a bit, but that is what he said. I just can't see him leaving ND one week after saying he wouldn't leave and that he's not a liar, especially with ND being his alma mater.

Being a huge ND fan, I don't know what I'd think about that since one of my favorite teams would be getting a great coach but my college favorite would be losing a great coach. Quite a conundrum.


All coaches are liars...don't believe for one minute they aren't. He's saying he wouldn't leave ND to keep recruits there. Truth is Charlie is also a lifelong Giants fan and has been on record many times as saying the Giants are his dream job. He's also been an NFL guy for most of his career. I would find it hard to believe he'd turn down his NFL dream job, especially for the right amount of $$$. Who's to say this job will be there for him 3, 5, 10 years down the line?
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1/8/2007  5:36 PM
I agree with both of you guys TMS and VDes.

VDes, I know fully all about Charlies Giants ties and I would love for him to be coach, but from just reading this thread, it seems that many Giant fans are building it up as if Weis will do anything to get the job and is just waiting for the Giants job to open. I really don't think even Charlie thinks of it that way.

If the Giants present him with the right amount of money, I'm sure he'd have an extremely hard time saying no, but I still don't even think the Giants are going to fire Coughlin. I think Coughlin will be coaching next year and if the team falters, he'll be gone by midseason. JMHO
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1/8/2007  5:47 PM
ugh, if i have to deal w/another game of Coughlin w/that insipid confused look on his face w/the headphones on his head, i'm gonna go postal!
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1/8/2007  6:21 PM
Well like I said, if it's not Weis, its probably gonna be Coughlin again, but with new cooridinators.

One name that I like, that hasn't been mentioned on this thread, is Ken Whisenhunt, OC of the Steelers. I think he'd do well to come here and run a power running game with Brandon Jacobs.
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1/8/2007  6:27 PM
Parcells is not allowed to coach anywhere but Big D next year.

Only real choices are Weis, Cowher, hotshot
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1/8/2007  6:28 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Parcells is not allowed to coach anywhere but Big D next year.

Only real choices are Weis, Cowher, hotshot

I would think that Cowher has an agreement with the Steelers that he's not going to/can't coach next year.
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1/8/2007  6:41 PM
Cowher coached them for 15 years... i doubt the Steelers would stand in his way not to coach if he wanted to... again, it'll take some draft picks to compensate, but if Cowher wants to coach here & the Giants want him bad enough, they can make it happen.

VDesai, i don't think Whisenhunt of the Steelers is the right choice for OC... we have a young QB who can put up some big #'s offensively & some very high powered offensive weapons here... Brandon Jacobs probably won't be the focal point next season... i think they're going to either sign another Tiki-style RB to pair up w/Jacobs, or they'll draft one... i don't see Jacobs holding up to the pounding his body's going to take over the course of 16 games w/the style of running he does, & i think the Giants have the same kind of concerns... we'll see how they use him next year though, but i'd be shocked if they centered the offense around him & went away from the high powered passing game they already have w/Eli, Shockey, Plex & Toomer (who should be ready to play next year)... also, they still have some high hopes for Sinorice Moss to come in & make plays for them too next season... i think they need an OC who can make good use of all these weapons & draw up a system that will keep other defenses guessing... not sure if turning this team into a boring, ground & pound style attack would be the right move unless we can get ourselves a dominant defense, & we definitely don't have that right now.
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1/8/2007  6:57 PM
TMS, have you been watching the Steelers since Whisenhunt has been OC? He led Big Ben to a 100+ QB rating. I'd also call his offense anyhting but predictable. Whisenhunt and the Steelers often pull of some of the most exotic trick plays in the NFL. The power running game is the centerpiece, but he's very creative with his playcall mix and keeps defenses on their heels.

Everyone's guessing on Jacobs' durability, and while I don't think he'll have a long shelf life, he's ready to take 15-20 carries a game. The Giants will draft a speedy back to pair with him. The Steelers under Whisenhunt generally used a multitude of backs as well.
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Cowher coached them for 15 years... i doubt the Steelers would stand in his way not to coach if he wanted to... again, it'll take some draft picks to compensate, but if Cowher wants to coach here & the Giants want him bad enough, they can make it happen.

VDesai, i don't think Whisenhunt of the Steelers is the right choice for OC... we have a young QB who can put up some big #'s offensively & some very high powered offensive weapons here... Brandon Jacobs probably won't be the focal point next season... i think they're going to either sign another Tiki-style RB to pair up w/Jacobs, or they'll draft one... i don't see Jacobs holding up to the pounding his body's going to take over the course of 16 games w/the style of running he does, & i think the Giants have the same kind of concerns... we'll see how they use him next year though, but i'd be shocked if they centered the offense around him & went away from the high powered passing game they already have w/Eli, Shockey, Plex & Toomer (who should be ready to play next year)... also, they still have some high hopes for Sinorice Moss to come in & make plays for them too next season... i think they need an OC who can make good use of all these weapons & draw up a system that will keep other defenses guessing... not sure if turning this team into a boring, ground & pound style attack would be the right move unless we can get ourselves a dominant defense, & we definitely don't have that right now.
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1/8/2007  7:06 PM
i haven't watched many games, but i have seen what you are referring to w/the trick plays... not sure if they're still doing that now that Antwaan Randle El is over in Washington though... didn't get to catch any Steelers games this year.

as for Big Ben w/the 100+ QB rating, i was under the impression that he was used in a very conservative passing attack w/high percentage dumpoffs to various receivers, pretty much in a typical ball control, ground & pound style offense... Eli's been 1 of the most prolific young QB's over the past couple seasons, even w/his pisspoor completion ratings... maybe going to a more conservative ball control style offense would benefit him, who knows... but i don't see that as utilizing our weapons to their best potential... we need a high scoring offense to win games, because our defense has way too many holes in it to fill right now to be effective in a ball control style game imho.
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1/8/2007  8:24 PM
I can't stand Bill Parcells. If you are a true Giant fan you know why all Giant fans should hate him. I thank him for the 2 super bowls but it stops there because he cost the Giants a couple of more championships. You guys might be thinking why? well if you recall when Parcells was in his last year after the super bowl he made sure that he didn't announce his retirement until Bilicheck was gone and took the Cleveland job before Parcells left the giants you know what the results were right we got stuck with a no name Ray Handley. Parcells knew that if Belicheck took over the Giants he was going to win easily with the giants because the defense responded well to him. Thats why every time I see Bill Parcells I curse him to no end and wish him a loss. To top it off he bailed out on the Jets too.

I can't stand him whenever I see him.
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1/8/2007  9:53 PM
What about Pete Carrol ??
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1/8/2007  9:54 PM
Posted by NYKresurrection:

What about Pete Carrol ??

Pete Carrol isn't leaving sunny California for NY. Miami or Arizona? Maybe, but not NY.
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Dennis Green ??
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1/8/2007  9:58 PM
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1/8/2007  10:00 PM
I hate to tell you guys but unless there is a bigtime coach coming in here, Coughlin isn't going anywhere until sometime next season. If the right coaching candidates aren't out there then he's not going to be fired.
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NYK check the forum, i think i might have one 4 ya !
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1/9/2007  9:26 AM
Posted by NYKresurrection:

What about Pete Carrol ??

he did such a great job w/the Jets afterall.
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1/9/2007  9:31 AM
Posted by Vmart:

I can't stand Bill Parcells. If you are a true Giant fan you know why all Giant fans should hate him. I thank him for the 2 super bowls but it stops there because he cost the Giants a couple of more championships. You guys might be thinking why? well if you recall when Parcells was in his last year after the super bowl he made sure that he didn't announce his retirement until Bilicheck was gone and took the Cleveland job before Parcells left the giants you know what the results were right we got stuck with a no name Ray Handley. Parcells knew that if Belicheck took over the Giants he was going to win easily with the giants because the defense responded well to him. Thats why every time I see Bill Parcells I curse him to no end and wish him a loss. To top it off he bailed out on the Jets too.

I can't stand him whenever I see him.

any true Giant fan would be appreciative to the guy for leading the team to 2 SB wins & wouldn't be bitter about him somehow jerking an assistant coach around & speculating that Belicheck woulda led this team to a couple more SB wins after he'd left... afterall, Belicheck did such a superb job in CLE that he had to rejoin Parcells as an assistant coach for the Patriots & then the Jets a few years later, & we all know how many SB championships those Patriot & Jet teams won... what Belicheck & Pioli managed to accomplish in NE later on is legendary, but to expect the same to have happened here in NY is baseless speculation... Parcells should always be held in reverence by Giant fans for some of the best years in franchise history & for helping to mold some of the best players to ever put on the uniform.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-09-2007 09:34 AM]
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1/9/2007  11:05 AM
[URL=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_silver/01/04/cowher.leaves/]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ.../cowher.leaves/[/URL]
Curtain call
Family, money among factors in Cowher's decision

1. The Rooneys don't pay. Sure, Cowher could have gotten a nice extension in Pittsburgh, but he wants to be paid like one of the best coaches in the business and it wasn't going to happen in Pittsburgh.

2. His daughters can ball. Two of Bill's daughters play basketball for Princeton and the third is a high school star in North Carolina. As someone who obsesses over his 10-year-old daughter's soccer games, I can understand why Bill wants to see as many of his kids' games as possible.

6. Whiz is leaving. Few coaches have hired such impressive assistants year after year, but Cowher, who knows brainy offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt is about to get a head-coaching job, wouldn't so easily have replaced his gutsy play-caller.

8. The Brink's Truck is on his way. All Cowher has to do is sit back, chill, maybe do a little TV, and his value goes up ... and up ... and up ... and up. Meanwhile, owners like Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones will become more and more desperate for a proven winner and master motivator who can take their franchises to the top. Can you say bidding war?

sounds like a perfect fit to me... Giants have the money to pay this guy what he's looking for, they have the tradition & prestige to be a good choice to move on to after leaving the Roony's in Pittsburgh, & he'd be close to his 2 daughters coaching in East Rutherford.

what's not to like? give his Offensive coordinator a raise while you're at it & convince him to come here along w/him if that's what it's gonna take (though i would like a more high powered offensive attack than the one they had in PIT myself)... either way, GET IT DONE NOW!
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