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Larry Brown's startling admission: I'm old and can't coach
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PresIke
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1/8/2007  4:51 PM
kam is getting picked on like we're in 7th grade. Pretty sad.
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1/8/2007  4:53 PM
cool, are we gonna do a whole "Larry Brown lie of the day" feature?
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1/8/2007  4:54 PM
Posted by PresIke:

Even with what Isles said, it can be seen as somewhat of an interpretation that he has trouble with certain teams. Larry doesn't exactly deserve a free pass for last year, and I was a BIG supporter of him last year.

Andrew comparing Jordan's retirement in 1993 to Brown now is not even close. Jordan did not say that it was that his age was why he was leaving. He just wanted to leave on top.

Brown did not leave the NBA on top, my friend. He left after a HORRIFIC season with our Knicks.

The comment by kam is not saying that the person's whole career was bad, it's just saying that they may not be able to do what they used to. It has happened to many great coaches and players in all sports, and is normal. It seems that only because, I guess, some have seen kam as an anti-Larry guy that this post is bothering them. The fact is that it isn't exactly THAT off of a point.

Why did Larry say what he did then? Sounds like he is concerned about his age and ability to coach well to me. After having such a bad year, after YEARS of success turning teams around, maybe he is wondering if he is up for it anymore, or ABLE to do it. It's not out of the realm of possiblity folks.

Not so much certain teams as certain uncoachable players (Marbury), scumbag GM's (Isiah) and idiot sons (Dolan).
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1/8/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

cool, are we gonna do a whole "Larry Brown lie of the day" feature?

seriously. he'll probably be coaching the Sixers next year.

it's too bad he's lying, because this lie is actually spot on - he's old and he can't coach. he doesn't understand the zone, the three pointer, rotations, how to relate to players or much else.
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1/8/2007  5:19 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by PhilinLA:

cool, are we gonna do a whole "Larry Brown lie of the day" feature?

seriously. he'll probably be coaching the Sixers next year.

it's too bad he's lying, because this lie is actually spot on - he's old and he can't coach. he doesn't understand the zone, the three pointer, rotations, how to relate to players or much else.





i mean, has the game really changed that much since 2004?

sorry, playing devil's advocate a bit here, but were you really serious?
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1/8/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by Masterplan:



i mean, has the game really changed that much since 2004?

sorry, playing devil's advocate a bit here, but were you really serious?

It has when you hate Larry Brown.
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1/8/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by PhilinLA:

cool, are we gonna do a whole "Larry Brown lie of the day" feature?

seriously. he'll probably be coaching the Sixers next year.

it's too bad he's lying, because this lie is actually spot on - he's old and he can't coach. he doesn't understand the zone, the three pointer, rotations, how to relate to players or much else.





i mean, has the game really changed that much since 2004?

sorry, playing devil's advocate a bit here, but were you really serious?

I think making it to game 7 of the NBA Finals in 2005 counts too.
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1/8/2007  5:27 PM
The title of this thread should be changed to: "Kam's startling interpretation of Larry Brown's comments".

Kam, really, dude, you're stretching. He didn't say anything close to what you said. Your hatred shows.
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1/8/2007  5:29 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by PhilinLA:

cool, are we gonna do a whole "Larry Brown lie of the day" feature?

seriously. he'll probably be coaching the Sixers next year.

it's too bad he's lying, because this lie is actually spot on - he's old and he can't coach. he doesn't understand the zone, the three pointer, rotations, how to relate to players or much else.



i mean, has the game really changed that much since 2004?

sorry, playing devil's advocate a bit here, but were you really serious?

yeah, it's changed in that zone defense is now legal and it wasn't then, also perimeter defense rules have changed and that Pistons team was one of the reasons why - because they violated what was in the books so much, Stern made a pronouncement that hand-checking rules had to be called by the books again. and I've said this before, but the pistons 04 team lucked out a little by not having to face a healthy Nets team, having Artest melt down and having the Lakers self-destruct from internal bickering between Shaq, Kobe and Phil.

the 2005 Pistons would not have made it past the Heat if Wade was healthy, which Wade proved in 2006.
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1/8/2007  5:33 PM
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1/8/2007  5:43 PM
I agree that Larry Brown was one of the finest coaches the Knicks ever had. He accomplished a lot in breaking the players and winning 23 games last year. It was a sad day when he left, and we all feel a sense of loss.

But there is help out there.



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1/8/2007  6:02 PM
Brown was brought here to *help* the team. If Isiah can get 38 to 40 wins out of basically the same roster, Larry the hall-of-famer should have been able to outcoach (not be outcoached by) Isiah by several wins.
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1/9/2007  8:00 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Brown was brought here to *help* the team. If Isiah can get 38 to 40 wins out of basically the same roster, Larry the hall-of-famer should have been able to outcoach (not be outcoached by) Isiah by several wins.

Should've, yes. But if you notice, our guys are playing hard for Isiah. They weren't playing hard for Larry. It goes both ways.
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1/9/2007  8:09 AM
If a coach's players dont play hard for him,but then play hard for his replacement, then its the coach's fault. Its the coach's job to motivate players.

It isnt that these guys are uncoachable. LB wasnt interested in coaching these players, and the players knew it.
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1/9/2007  8:24 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Brown was brought here to *help* the team. If Isiah can get 38 to 40 wins out of basically the same roster, Larry the hall-of-famer should have been able to outcoach (not be outcoached by) Isiah by several wins.

Should've, yes. But if you notice, our guys are playing hard for Isiah. They weren't playing hard for Larry. It goes both ways.
It's the same issue: Motivation is a huge part of coaching. If some amateur like Isiah can motivate these players then a hall-of-fame coach should have been able to do it in his sleep, with his eyes closed and hands tied behind his back.

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1/9/2007  8:37 AM
Posted by izybx:

If a coach's players dont play hard for him,but then play hard for his replacement, then its the coach's fault. Its the coach's job to motivate players.

It isnt that these guys are uncoachable. LB wasnt interested in coaching these players, and the players knew it.

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1/9/2007  9:30 AM
So all of Marbury's previous coaches weren't interested in coaching him. Sure, got it.
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1/9/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Brown was brought here to *help* the team. If Isiah can get 38 to 40 wins out of basically the same roster, Larry the hall-of-famer should have been able to outcoach (not be outcoached by) Isiah by several wins.

Should've, yes. But if you notice, our guys are playing hard for Isiah. They weren't playing hard for Larry. It goes both ways.
It's the same issue: Motivation is a huge part of coaching. If some amateur like Isiah can motivate these players then a hall-of-fame coach should have been able to do it in his sleep, with his eyes closed and hands tied behind his back.

That's a little excessive, no? Isiah's had good coaching success in the past. And again, the players were very hyped to have Isiah coaching. That does factor in. But, even with all Isiah's magic, we're still on pace to be no better than a Don Chaney, Lenny Wilkins or Herb Williams coached team. Hmmm...
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1/9/2007  9:53 AM
Posted by islesfan:

So all of Marbury's previous coaches weren't interested in coaching him. Sure, got it.

Are you trying to tell me LB did a good job of coaching Marbury? How about Lee? How about Curry? How about ANYBODY?
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1/9/2007  9:58 AM
Are you trying to tell me that the players didn't quit on Larry, starting with their leader Marbury?

Lee was developed very nicely last year considering he was the 30h pick and had 8 forwards ahead of him.

Wasn't Curry's heart ailment and being out of shape because of it supposed to have been his excuse for dogging it all last year?

Frye did a lot better last year didn't he?

Crawford started to tighten up his shot selection under Brown and played better under him.
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Larry Brown's startling admission: I'm old and can't coach

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