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Bonn1997
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1/20/2007  10:03 AM
Fish is 100% right on Curry. He's out of shape for NBA basketball. He doesn't have the stamina to play hard on both ends of the court. He's been out of shape his whole career excluding contract years, which is a key reason I'm not optimistic about anything improving other than his low-post scoring.
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1/20/2007  10:15 AM
looks to me like Curry was the only one on the knicks that had boxed out. Qrich and Lee were behind their men. Robinson made a good play which earliar in the game might have been called over the back
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/20/2007  10:37 AM
well, he isnt a good rebounder. he never has been. beh, curry actually did a slightly better job of rebounding last season, which is frustrating becuase last season he was all over weight in stuff.

curry has made clear cut improvements in his game this season but the fact that his rebounding didnt get better is most likely an indication that he will never be a good rebounder.

anyway I kind of blame Isiah for having curry on the floor at that time. he has always been a liability when it comes to boards.

[Edited by - slimpack on 01-20-2007 10:58 AM]
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1/20/2007  10:39 AM
1) Since when is 11 rebounds bad? Only to people that love to hate Curry regardless.
2) He led both teams in rebounds
3) We beat NJ in rebounding as usual
4) I hated the last play but Curry was the only Knick to actually box out and Uncle Cliffy went over his back. Earliar in the game thats called a foul but the refs swallowed their whistle
5) Best play of the game for me was when Moore shoved Curry from behind and Curry decided to take advantage of the shove by throwing a nice elbow on Collins. I want Curry to accidently make other players pay more often
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/20/2007  10:48 AM
It was definately a foul on uncle cliffy. Eddy had position and he jumped over his back. At the end of that play, you can see Unce Cliffy's arm hanging on Eddy's shoulders.

BUT

What the heck is Eddy doing there in the last seconds of the game when a defensive presence was needed. I would have put Cato or even Big Game James in there for blocks and rebounds. I guess Zeke is trying to build his confidence.
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1/20/2007  10:56 AM
curry has made clear cut improvements in his game this season but the fact that his rebounding didnt get better is most likely an indication that he will never be a good rebounder.
What gets me down about Eddy is not only the lack of improvement in rebounding, but the decline in shot-blocking and shot altering.
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1/20/2007  11:03 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

1) Since when is 11 rebounds bad? Only to people that love to hate Curry regardless.
2) He led both teams in rebounds
3) We beat NJ in rebounding as usual
4) I hated the last play but Curry was the only Knick to actually box out and Uncle Cliffy went over his back. Earliar in the game thats called a foul but the refs swallowed their whistle
5) Best play of the game for me was when Moore shoved Curry from behind and Curry decided to take advantage of the shove by throwing a nice elbow on Collins. I want Curry to accidently make other players pay more often

dude, he got 11 rebounds in 41 minutes. not to take anything away from curry, but thats not really all that good. the only two other players to even play that long were jason kidd who also played 41 minutes, and qrich who played 44.

again I dont hate curry and Im not trying to bash him, but lets keep things in perspective here. he rebounds at basically the same rate as andres nocioni, (10.4 per 48 minutes) thats a pretty unspectacular number for a 6-11 athletic center. even mikki moore rebounds at a higher rate. but then again mikki moore sucks so he probably would never play enough total minutes to actually get those rebounds, but you see what im trying to say here.





[Edited by - slimpack on 01-20-2007 11:09 AM]
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1/20/2007  11:05 AM
Curry needs the ball early and often to be effective. We have gone away from that of late. That is the utility of playing Jamal with him. And plus Lee covers for him in the rebounding department. Too much perimeter and less establishment of the inside. Its like establishing the run in football. Before you open up the game with passing, you must run the ball even if its for short yardage to wear the defense down. Isiah should have stuck with what worked and Curry played very well...the last few games, Curry has not been effective in the first half of games as evidenced by only taking two shots in the first half yesterday and not getting in to double digits versus Wash until the late 3rd vs Washington.

[Edited by - queeniepop on 01-20-2007 11:05 AM]
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1/20/2007  11:15 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

looks to me like Curry was the only one on the knicks that had boxed out. Qrich and Lee were behind their men. Robinson made a good play which earliar in the game might have been called over the back


Dude curry did NOT box him out. Just because he is in front of him does not constitute a box out. When you box out your man you move him away from the basket so robinson would not have be in position to reach for the ball. Also curry is in much better shape. Every person associated with the knicks see this except for fish. Can he still get in better shape--sure but hes playing 40 mins + a game and is not hufffing and puffing. Get off the notion hes 50 pounds overweight and out of shape. Give him credit for his advances.
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1/20/2007  11:20 AM
Posted by Rich:

That's why he had 11 boards.
thats why I've said his numbers are inflated. You look at his final stat line and you think he had a decent night at worst. But ask the 14 guys on this board that went to the game and they will tell you he was awfull, and a big part of the reason we lost

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1/20/2007  11:24 AM
LOL 11 rebounds is not good now when it was more rebounds than any other player on either team. Why dont you guys just lynch the guy? Thats what you really want right? It has nothing to do with 11 rebounds being bad or anything else the guy works to improve. Nobody on NJ had over 7 rebounds but Currys 11 rebounds are bad. So who do you want to lynch first Curry or Isiah?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/20/2007  11:36 AM
why dont you just listen to what I am saying

Eddy led the Knicks in boards because somebody had too. Lee played 21 minutes.

Eddy didnt impact that game. Thats all I am saying. I would be curious to see if blueseats, DJ, enysrpee, hardcore, wood, guns, silver, tms, marv, vdes, solace, allanfan, killa, or nykforever (am I mising someone?) say something different, because after the game we were all pretty much in agreement about how bad certain guys played.

In fact, Eddy didnt rebound at all. 11 missed shots bounced to him.

Eddy gets crap because there is nobody more frustrating to watch. He simply doest try and takes halves off comletely when things arent going his way.

But he's the franchise corverstone. Its tough to stomach when you watch it first hand
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1/20/2007  11:44 AM
Posted by fishmike:

why dont you just listen to what I am saying

Eddy led the Knicks in boards because somebody had too. Lee played 21 minutes.

Eddy didnt impact that game. Thats all I am saying. I would be curious to see if blueseats, DJ, enysrpee, hardcore, wood, guns, silver, tms, marv, vdes, solace, allanfan, killa, or nykforever (am I mising someone?) say something different, because after the game we were all pretty much in agreement about how bad certain guys played.

In fact, Eddy didnt rebound at all. 11 missed shots bounced to him.

Eddy gets crap because there is nobody more frustrating to watch. He simply doest try and takes halves off comletely when things arent going his way.

But he's the franchise corverstone. Its tough to stomach when you watch it first hand

Thats amazing. So every one else just allows the ball to bounce 11 times to Curry and everyone fights for their rebounds. Sure thats believable. Curry got 11 rebounds because somebody had to? What kind of logic is that? 20 guys played last night. Only 1 guy had 10 plus rebounds. That was Curry. Frye had like 6-7 in the first qtr I think and no more the rest of the game. Jeffries had 1 reb all game. Collins like 4. Moore like 2. Its funny how everyone else on both teams just let Curry have 11. That was very gracious of them. Its nice of Collins and Moore that they didnt try at all to get the rebounds. They must be firends of Curry to be so generous. Thanks for explaining it to us.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/20/2007  11:48 AM
Posted by islesfan:

The Times had a great picture of how Curry didn't jump. He just did what he always does, waited for the ball to come to him. Robinson just jumped over him.


Its not that Eddy didn't jump, its that he jumped too late which seems to be the case too often. He lets the ball come to him rather than attacking the ball. Was it over-the-back on Cliff, probably, but its not a call that the Refs are gonna make that late in the game.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 01-20-2007 11:50 AM]
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1/20/2007  11:55 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by islesfan:

The Times had a great picture of how Curry didn't jump. He just did what he always does, waited for the ball to come to him. Robinson just jumped over him.


Its not that Eddy didn't jump, its that he jumped too late which seems to be the case too often. He lets the ball come to him rather than attacking the ball. Was it over-the-back on Cliff, probably, but its not a call that the Refs are gonna make that late in the game.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 01-20-2007 11:50 AM]

That's exactly what Fish is arguing. 11 balls came to him, he didn't rebound the balls.
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1/20/2007  12:03 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:

why dont you just listen to what I am saying

Eddy led the Knicks in boards because somebody had too. Lee played 21 minutes.

Eddy didnt impact that game. Thats all I am saying. I would be curious to see if blueseats, DJ, enysrpee, hardcore, wood, guns, silver, tms, marv, vdes, solace, allanfan, killa, or nykforever (am I mising someone?) say something different, because after the game we were all pretty much in agreement about how bad certain guys played.

In fact, Eddy didnt rebound at all. 11 missed shots bounced to him.

Eddy gets crap because there is nobody more frustrating to watch. He simply doest try and takes halves off comletely when things arent going his way.

But he's the franchise corverstone. Its tough to stomach when you watch it first hand

Thats amazing. So every one else just allows the ball to bounce 11 times to Curry and everyone fights for their rebounds. Sure thats believable. Curry got 11 rebounds because somebody had to? What kind of logic is that? 20 guys played last night. Only 1 guy had 10 plus rebounds. That was Curry. Frye had like 6-7 in the first qtr I think and no more the rest of the game. Jeffries had 1 reb all game. Collins like 4. Moore like 2. Its funny how everyone else on both teams just let Curry have 11. That was very gracious of them. Its nice of Collins and Moore that they didnt try at all to get the rebounds. They must be firends of Curry to be so generous. Thanks for explaining it to us.
did you watch the game? were you there? did you see Eddy box out? fight for position when the ball went in the air? All I'm saying is Eddy plants his ass as close to the basket he can, and when a ball comes his way he grabs it.

But dont look... just focus on the 11 and keep telling yourself our franchise center really cleaned the glass last night. Then continue to wonder why we lose all the time.

We should have lost that game by 20 last night.
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1/20/2007  12:08 PM
i used to say the same thing aboiut kvh's boards. he'd have good numbers but if you watched him youi'd see they were all right place/right time ones.

still, it's interesting about eddy's numbers. i'd certainly rather have 11 balls come to him than 3! it kills me when he plays a full game and can nonly come up with that many! so what accounts for the difference - did he stay closer to the action last night than in those games? were the other team's inside players that bad? how can only 3 "fall" to him one game and 11 another?
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1/20/2007  12:09 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:

why dont you just listen to what I am saying

Eddy led the Knicks in boards because somebody had too. Lee played 21 minutes.

Eddy didnt impact that game. Thats all I am saying. I would be curious to see if blueseats, DJ, enysrpee, hardcore, wood, guns, silver, tms, marv, vdes, solace, allanfan, killa, or nykforever (am I mising someone?) say something different, because after the game we were all pretty much in agreement about how bad certain guys played.

In fact, Eddy didnt rebound at all. 11 missed shots bounced to him.

Eddy gets crap because there is nobody more frustrating to watch. He simply doest try and takes halves off comletely when things arent going his way.

But he's the franchise corverstone. Its tough to stomach when you watch it first hand

Thats amazing. So every one else just allows the ball to bounce 11 times to Curry and everyone fights for their rebounds. Sure thats believable. Curry got 11 rebounds because somebody had to? What kind of logic is that? 20 guys played last night. Only 1 guy had 10 plus rebounds. That was Curry. Frye had like 6-7 in the first qtr I think and no more the rest of the game. Jeffries had 1 reb all game. Collins like 4. Moore like 2. Its funny how everyone else on both teams just let Curry have 11. That was very gracious of them. Its nice of Collins and Moore that they didnt try at all to get the rebounds. They must be firends of Curry to be so generous. Thanks for explaining it to us.
did you watch the game? were you there? did you see Eddy box out? fight for position when the ball went in the air? All I'm saying is Eddy plants his ass as close to the basket he can, and when a ball comes his way he grabs it.

But dont look... just focus on the 11 and keep telling yourself our franchise center really cleaned the glass last night. Then continue to wonder why we lose all the time.

We should have lost that game by 20 last night.

I watch every game. I dont have to be there. Dont give me this if you were there you would see because I used to watch some games 3 rows back and had a better view often watching on TV. I never said Curry cleaned the glass for every bound. There were 20 guys that played last night. If Curry isnt working at all to get his 11 rebounds what were the other 19 guys doing that didnt come close to 11 rebounds? If you wnat to lynch the guy just lynch the guy. Dont make like you dont look for reasons to hate the guy. Thats all you and your feloow haters do. The guy has improved as much as anyone on the team this year if not more and all you and your fellow lynchers do is look for any way possible to bash the guy. NJ had a whopping 10 2nd chance points last night. NJ starting center had 0 points and 4 rebounds. But go ahead and lynch Curry. Get your hood pressed first though
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/20/2007  12:12 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:

why dont you just listen to what I am saying

Eddy led the Knicks in boards because somebody had too. Lee played 21 minutes.

Eddy didnt impact that game. Thats all I am saying. I would be curious to see if blueseats, DJ, enysrpee, hardcore, wood, guns, silver, tms, marv, vdes, solace, allanfan, killa, or nykforever (am I mising someone?) say something different, because after the game we were all pretty much in agreement about how bad certain guys played.

In fact, Eddy didnt rebound at all. 11 missed shots bounced to him.

Eddy gets crap because there is nobody more frustrating to watch. He simply doest try and takes halves off comletely when things arent going his way.

But he's the franchise corverstone. Its tough to stomach when you watch it first hand

Thats amazing. So every one else just allows the ball to bounce 11 times to Curry and everyone fights for their rebounds. Sure thats believable. Curry got 11 rebounds because somebody had to? What kind of logic is that? 20 guys played last night. Only 1 guy had 10 plus rebounds. That was Curry. Frye had like 6-7 in the first qtr I think and no more the rest of the game. Jeffries had 1 reb all game. Collins like 4. Moore like 2. Its funny how everyone else on both teams just let Curry have 11. That was very gracious of them. Its nice of Collins and Moore that they didnt try at all to get the rebounds. They must be firends of Curry to be so generous. Thanks for explaining it to us.
did you watch the game? were you there? did you see Eddy box out? fight for position when the ball went in the air? All I'm saying is Eddy plants his ass as close to the basket he can, and when a ball comes his way he grabs it.

But dont look... just focus on the 11 and keep telling yourself our franchise center really cleaned the glass last night. Then continue to wonder why we lose all the time.

We should have lost that game by 20 last night.

I watch every game. I dont have to be there. Dont give me this if you were there you would see because I used to watch some games 3 rows back and had a better view often watching on TV. I never said Curry cleaned the glass for every bound. There were 20 guys that played last night. If Curry isnt working at all to get his 11 rebounds what were the other 19 guys doing that didnt come close to 11 rebounds? If you wnat to lynch the guy just lynch the guy. Dont make like you dont look for reasons to hate the guy. Thats all you and your feloow haters do. The guy has improved as much as anyone on the team this year if not more and all you and your fellow lynchers do is look for any way possible to bash the guy. NJ had a whopping 10 2nd chance points last night. NJ starting center had 0 points and 4 rebounds. But go ahead and lynch Curry. Get your hood pressed first though
dude, you're spinning out. why bring "lynch" and "hood" into the conversation?
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1/20/2007  12:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Eddy gets crap because there is nobody more frustrating to watch. He simply doest try and takes halves off comletely when things arent going his way.

Its amazing how biased you are towards curry. The announcers on tv were saying how great collins was playing defense on curry. Also how in the past curry would stop trying if things weren't going his way but last nite he was still busting his azz trying and not giving up. You see him giving up others see great defense on him and him still fighting through it.
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