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Bonn1997
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1/7/2007  2:58 PM
Scott Skiles is so well though of in this league..How is it he can have a player like Curry for years and get nothing out of him and Isiah (Aguirre) has him for a few months and has turned him into a weapon
He's averaging 2 more points and 2 more rebs than in his last year in Chi (along with much more playing time). When you consider that he was on a much deeper, much better team (and the increase in min this year), it's hard to see your argument.
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1/7/2007  3:00 PM
he stays on the floor longer because he's not constantly in foul trouble. I guess that comes with maturity
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1/7/2007  3:02 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I think we disagree alot because under LB I really didn't think the team had a chance at success..I really couldn't hold the players accountable for that..I think the coach has to create an environment where the team can maximize it's potential...LB had other plans...But I think guys like yourself and Bip always feels the players should play through that, which is cool..Your opinion..But I think Isiah has done a good job of bringing the focus back to basketball so there are no excuses now...Players have to perform...I will defend them and Isiah when I think they aren't getting a fair shot...But I think that stuff is all behind them now, even with the brawl...

I think TheGame said it best when he said it's time for Isiah to stop managing expectations and put some goals in place for players and the team...This team has alot of talent but far from a contender..I'll like to see what kind of makeup we have so make adjustments personnel wise this off season...So I think the time is now for this team to show something...I can't wait...


I'm still baffled Holfresh. I agree with you 100% in every aspect of your post.

I've been outspoken on how and what I think this team should do to get back to being a true contender again and much of what I have said has been what I think would be the best way to do it. I could care less if they do it the way I say or not, I just want it to happen. This team still has holes that need to be filled and I'm still not confident in Isiah being the one to fix those holes. A top young Wing player is necessary as well as a PG(Marbury has played better lately though) before I believe this team is a serious contender again.

I have no choice but to be patient and hope it gets done and I don't care how its done, as long as it just gets done.
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1/7/2007  3:09 PM
>>The issue is whether this team, as currently constructed, is any good.

Simrud - the point of the Beck article was that despite the suspensions and a condensed schedule, the Knicks were showing measurable signs of improvement. It is not whether they are any "good" or not.

They have three off days to practice... "...man, we talkin' bout practice..." and an opportunity to win game 16 on Wednesday they didn't have in the books until March 5th last season.

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1/7/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Scott Skiles is so well though of in this league..How is it he can have a player like Curry for years and get nothing out of him and Isiah (Aguirre) has him for a few months and has turned him into a weapon
He's averaging 2 more points and 2 more rebs than in his last year in Chi (along with much more playing time). When you consider that he was on a much deeper, much better team (and the increase in min this year), it's hard to see your argument.

This is different..he is the focus in NY...He is being double teamed sometimes triple here..He didn't get the same attention in Chicago...For Christ sake the guy is just learning to pass out of double teams...Just this season...It's not all about numbers...You can't hold the guy one on one now...If you are saying he has not improved and is not a different player then I couldn't disagree with you more...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-07-2007 3:11 PM]
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1/7/2007  9:00 PM
Knicks get blown out by one very good team and 2 average ones in the first 3 games and it's way too early to draw any conclusions.

Knicks blow out 2 bad teams and it's time to draw conclusions.

Love how that happens.
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1/7/2007  9:14 PM
I'm sorry I can't go by last season. I still can't beleive that people are using last year as a baseline for achievement. It boggles my mind. The only thing we should be focused upon should be where do we go from here. What are the steps we need to make to eventually compete for a title. Last year should be a distant memory but somehow people seem to be stuck in it.
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1/7/2007  9:31 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm sorry I can't go by last season. I still can't beleive that people are using last year as a baseline for achievement. It boggles my mind. The only thing we should be focused upon should be where do we go from here. What are the steps we need to make to eventually compete for a title. Last year should be a distant memory but somehow people seem to be stuck in it.

The only reason people are stuck to it is because when you compare anything to something really bad it can only look good in comparison.

And the people who are stuck to it desperately want to pretend that things are going great no matter how they really are.
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1/7/2007  9:37 PM

You have to compare this season to something..If not you give this team a completely clean slate with all the young players and go from there..Something I know both of you guys are unwilling to do...
islesfan
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1/7/2007  9:41 PM
Compare it to the rest of the NBA and how far away we are from being a legitimate contender. Being in contention for a pathetic Atlantic Division doesn't count.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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1/7/2007  9:54 PM

Right now it's far as one would expect a team with a young core to be...
They have the rest of the season to play together,,we will have a better assessment then...
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1/7/2007  10:03 PM
the advantage the knicks have over other rebuilding teams is they have a max player at pg and 5-6-7 year vets in curry/quentin/crawford.
islesfan
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1/7/2007  10:03 PM
Or how about this?

Under Isiah the Knicks are 99-154.

In the same amount of games prior to Isiah, the Knicks were 112-141.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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1/7/2007  10:05 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Right now it's far as one would expect a team with a young core to be...
They have the rest of the season to play together,,we will have a better assessment then...

A group of young one dimensional players, not one of which is anywhere close to a franchise player, isn't a core.
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1/7/2007  10:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Or how about this?

Under Isiah the Knicks are 99-154.

In the same amount of games prior to Isiah, the Knicks were 112-141.

Is that counting last year?
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1/7/2007  10:14 PM
Because if we exclude last year like you want to in all your other rants the record is now 76-101...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-07-2007 10:17 PM]
islesfan
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1/7/2007  10:17 PM
I'm pretty sure that Isiah had something to do with last year's record.

I really should stop being so unfair by taking Isiah's record in whole. I really should just pick and choose what games I want to count and which I don't want to count.
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1/7/2007  10:18 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Because if we exclude last year like you want to in all your other rants the record is now 76-101...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-07-2007 10:17 PM]

When have I ever excluded last year??? I just think it's asinine to use that as the sole basis for comparison.
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1/7/2007  10:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'm pretty sure that Isiah had something to do with last year's record.

I really should stop being so unfair by taking Isiah's record in whole. I really should just pick and choose what games I want to count and which I don't want to count.

I think thats fine really..you should use it as a whole..That way I can compare last's year team with this years team featuring the same players basically...
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1/7/2007  10:21 PM

So the Knicks will have to go 9-35 to better last year's record...
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