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EnySpree
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Time to light a match! Yo. Ariza gets a few games where he gets, well, similiar stats he got when he got big minutes here? Ok. The guy still dribbles like a retard, and couldn't take his man if he was gay playing blouses and skins game in the middle of the gay pride parade. Barnes just dropped 36 pts. He did it more than once. He has been simply playing big time basketball. He was traded for who? Barnes right now would fill exactly what the knicks need. Oh yeah in that 36 point performance the mofo hit 7-10 from three. Now how you love that?!?!
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kam77
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1/5/2007  4:08 PM
Exactly, the entire league was asleep and Zeke one of the few who saw the talent in these guys. Would Ariza even have been drafted? Jackie Butler? 2nd rounders raretly get the chance at making the NBA but both did. This GM we have does not typically make a mistake when he drafts somebody and is usually good at picking up cheap castoffs.

That is a skill. Drafting and scouting players on other teams and in other leagues is a strong suit of the guy in charge.

The only reason we sit here today debating the name Ariza, is because of the name Isiah. Thats my point.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/5/2007  4:14 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by kam77:

Not worried at all. And you forgot DerMarr Johnson went on to start a lot of games for Denver last year after we didn't bring him back.

It's called having a GM with a good eye for talent. These guys were brought here because Isiah thought they were NBA ready. Ime, Ariza, Barnes, Butler, DerMarr... we had to bring in all these fringe young players with talent and its a credit to Isiah that most of the guys he brought in are still in the league.

Kam, point being he let all these guys go!

You know who else let those guys go? the REST of the NBA.

with the exception of Johnson..none of those players were first round draft picks. and Barnes has played for like 5 teams in 3 years (or something like that).
OK. I'll stop, rewind, and try to make this easy for anyone who takes any negative points against Isiah as a sacrilege.

Isiah had these guys right before they are having career years. He could have signed these guys to decent small contracts (yes, yes, hindsight is 20/20-but we are talking about 4 guys here, not just one). You don't think Dermarr or Barnes could have filled the Jefferies role-that we are seeing what Jefferies is, not the Jefferies that Isiah sold us back when he was signed- for oh, 4.2 mil a year less?

He let a young PF/C(defensive and rebounder) go to sign Jerome James, who gives us all of a point and 2 rebounds or whatever in the games he does play. Another net savings of about 3 mil a year.

My point is not to bash Isiah but to bring us a valid point. Isiah is always going for the big splash instead of the wiser safer choice. And just to wonder why all these guys-who are doing so well-Isiah just let them walk away.
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kam77
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1/5/2007  4:49 PM
Here's an excerpt from a Milawaukee reporter writing about drafting hidden gems and gives a ton of credit to management. We don't do any of that here and I'm making the same exact point:

credit general manager Larry Harris and personnel director Dave Babcock for locating hidden gems, particularly Redd. Along with rarities Gilbert Arenas of Washington and Manu Ginobili of San Antonio, Redd is among the best active second-round players in the league.

and then goes on to mention players Harris and Babcock jettisoned:

The Bucks' ability to find players in the second round is also evident by those still in the league elsewhere, Flip Murray, Jamal Sampson, Jason Hart and Rafer Alston among them. If an NBA second-round club were to be established, give it a 53207 ZIP code.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=549397

PRIDE! Its a good thing to have so much talent that you can't keep it all.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
kam77
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1/5/2007  4:52 PM
I voted Ariza by the way. Matt Barnes is playing in a system that encourages gunners and a PG who knows his game very well from College. Its a tailor-made situation and I'm happy for him. I don't look at his statline and assume he'd be putting up those #s here. Are you saying he'd be just as good here? If we was, why didn't he ever have games like that here? At least with Ariza we saw him play like this at times. I still don't think Ariza has a very high ceiling, but without Golden State, Barnes is just another journeyman.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/5/2007  8:14 PM
Posted by kam77:

Here's an excerpt from a Milawaukee reporter writing about drafting hidden gems and gives a ton of credit to management. We don't do any of that here and I'm making the same exact point:

credit general manager Larry Harris and personnel director Dave Babcock for locating hidden gems, particularly Redd. Along with rarities Gilbert Arenas of Washington and Manu Ginobili of San Antonio, Redd is among the best active second-round players in the league.

and then goes on to mention players Harris and Babcock jettisoned:

The Bucks' ability to find players in the second round is also evident by those still in the league elsewhere, Flip Murray, Jamal Sampson, Jason Hart and Rafer Alston among them. If an NBA second-round club were to be established, give it a 53207 ZIP code.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=549397

PRIDE! Its a good thing to have so much talent that you can't keep it all.

Alston is the only guy they found to amount to anything, and that is not even my point. My point is that instead of excercising some restraint, Isiah had to go out an make the big splashes on Jerome and Jared. I am trying to nderstand how such a good judge of talent can't come across guys that fill roles (ala Jefferies) at something less than the MLE.
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1/5/2007  8:36 PM
Barnes will be a ghost by midseason and the same with ariza, they are marginal players, except that ariza has more upside than barnes.. Demarr is drowning in denver, not doing very much and Udoka is starting in Portland because their other options at this point are not that good. Did you see Udoka the other night vs us? he was bombing bricks, and really did nothing that game, these guys move from team to team in short periods of time for a reason....
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1/5/2007  9:20 PM
Posted by kam77:

I voted Ariza by the way. Matt Barnes is playing in a system that encourages gunners and a PG who knows his game very well from College. Its a tailor-made situation and I'm happy for him. I don't look at his statline and assume he'd be putting up those #s here. Are you saying he'd be just as good here? If we was, why didn't he ever have games like that here?


Do you think steve Nash on the knicks would be the same player?

NO...it's the system


[Edited by - playa2 on 01-05-2007 14:21]

[Edited by - playa2 on 01-05-2007 14:22]
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/5/2007  9:56 PM
Damn. Anyone see the MONSTER Ariza dunk tonight? Pretty sweet.
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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1/5/2007  10:23 PM
Damn. Anyone see the MONSTER Ariza dunk tonight? Pretty sweet.

That dunk was siiiiiiiiiiiiiick!
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1/6/2007  5:27 AM
Posted by bettalaylow:
Damn. Anyone see the MONSTER Ariza dunk tonight? Pretty sweet.

That dunk was siiiiiiiiiiiiiick!

Ariza vs. Nate Dec 17
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1/6/2007  2:02 PM
Ariza Posterizes Okafor (last night)


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playa2
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1/6/2007  9:42 PM
It's (coach Don Nelson) having confidence in me," Barnes said. "You ask any player. If the coach is behind you 100 percent, the best part of your game is going to come out. Early on in the season, I was looking over my shoulder if I made a mistake and wasn't sure if I was going to be in or not. Now that he has confidence in me, no matter how I'm shooting, he tells me to keep shooting."
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/6/2007  9:51 PM
Posted by playa2:

It's (coach Don Nelson) having confidence in me," Barnes said. "You ask any player. If the coach is behind you 100 percent, the best part of your game is going to come out. Early on in the season, I was looking over my shoulder if I made a mistake and wasn't sure if I was going to be in or not. Now that he has confidence in me, no matter how I'm shooting, he tells me to keep shooting."

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1/6/2007  11:41 PM
What comes first the coach has confidence in you and then you play well? or you play well and then the coach has confidence in you.
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1/7/2007  1:16 AM
That picture quality wasn't great but it looks like Ariza has added a bit of muscle
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1/7/2007  1:17 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

That picture quality wasn't great but it looks like Ariza has added a bit of muscle

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, he looks like he added 15 lbs
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1/7/2007  5:54 AM
Posted by oohah:
Was it the system he's playing in now that enhanced his season ?


Yes. Nellie is a master of maximizing his player's offensive talents. Remember him with the Bucks?

oohah

Remember him with the Knicks? The whole Point Forward thing. LOL

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