Posted by Michael6835:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Michael6835:

Another thread based on the " I hate IT bantor" This board is starting to sound like the media, taking every word that comes out of his mouth and twisting to mean something totally negative.

In terms of an offensive threat, he is CORRECT. Lee is not an offensive threat, he is a great clean up guy, behind the scenes type of guy. He is Oakley without the attitude and jumpshot, all hustle like the commercial says. I think Lee deserves to start but IT must have his reasons. One thing for certain is that Lee is definately getting his minutes and the more time he gets eventually IT will be forced to start him.


Last year, lee would play and get dnp for the next 6 games. His role is much more defined now, he is part of the rotation. IT is still working through the rotation with injuries and the such. You miss the whole big picture, just seeinng what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

You cant put LEE in the starting lineup until Q is back and healthy enough to start. The floor spacing will be off as it is right now. Lee hits the occasion jumpshot, its not a gimme. He scores in transition and put back rebounds.

At least IT realizes what we need (pure shooter), let's see what happens.

not for nothing but lb was CORRECT in everything he said also, yet he's not allowed to criticize his players via the media. it's not a "i hate IT bantor", it's bringing to light the fact that slowly isiah is going down the same path as the previous coach.

the guy keeps saying "i was just searching for something that worked."

so the guy that put together this team has no idea how to make it work. fan-tas-tic.

So freaking what, he is now realizing what needs to be done, get over it. So what if LB was doing the same thing, the difference is LB did his way and failed with the players pretty much rejecting him. The players seem to embrace IT, as long as that stays there the team will be ok. This is part of the rebuilding process, recognizing that the team is built differently and adjusting. Adding the pieces to Curry. Get over it dude, the guy seems to be realizing everything everyone here has been saying for months, now that he does you call attention as if its a bad thing. let him do his job.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by King1:

I think it would help this team to trade Lee for a shooter.

Anyone but Lee, King. I know you're down on Isiah but David Lee should be a Knick for a long time. Trade someone else for a shooter. I would package our jumpshooting big man to a team that can really use a jumpshooting bigman, unlike ourselves, for a good 2guard. Not David Lee.

Posted by Michael6835:

Posted by Ray15:

Posted by holfresh:


Come on dude DLee does not get treated bad...I'm amazed he doesn't get benched for not playing defense on outside shooter...For now Zeke gives him a pass...But he clearly doesn't run out to three point shooters...He basket hangs for the rebounds...I like the guy but to say he is treated badly, come on....

What a joke. You want Lee to get benched for not running out to 3 point shooters? We wouldn't be able to play games if we were going to bench guys for not playing defense.

Your boy Frye is putrid. When we try to hide his defensive flaws by putting him at the top of the zone he just lolly-gagged around waiving his arms. I think it was in the Detroit game where we tried this for all of 5 possessions before we realized it couldn't work -- Billups had a 3 Frye half-heartedly closed out, Billups pump faked, and Frye ran by and made on attempt to hustle back and recover. At least Lee has quick enough feet to guard post players. Frye is so damn flat footed that when a post player squares up, he gets beat so cleanly.

Forget about Curry on the defensive end.

What about Crawford? He is so miserable one-on-one that it forces Marbury to guard guys like RIP. It's not like RIP blows Craw away in the weight room so I don't understand why he can't stay with him.

Even Jefferies (who I thought was a good signing but I'm afraid I was wrong) isn't doing anything defensively.

Lee gives us more than anybody on this team. He puts up 11ppg with zero plays run for him. He gives us so many extra opportunities and takes second chances away from the opposition. Give him 40mpg and he's an allstar next season -- it's as simple as that. Not to mention the fact that he's the only one of our youngsters who CLEARLY worked on his game during the offseason -- you don't go from an awful free throw shooter to close to 80% without putting in tons of time. That baseline jumper is going to be developed next year and I am extremely worried Isiah will trade him.

You miss the point. no one on this board will argue with you. DLEE is the man and plays well, and probably should start. But what would the lineup be, if you started LEE now.
Curry,LEE,Jeffries,Craw,Steph.

Great so now instead of sending one man to double Eddy, they can send 2. Because no one has to d lee of jeffries!

So the point is that Larry Brown was right and this roster was really poorly constructed.

Posted by King1:

Lee is the only guy that can pass on this team. How many hi/low buckets have they got when Lee isnt making the pass? Frye shoots the ball or turn it over every time he touches it. Do you think IT has done a great job as GM the last three years?

Posted by holfresh:



Bro whatever you say, they will tact to the negative about Isiah so it really doesn't matter...They will blame Isiah for dissing Lee and not giving him the playing time...When Lee and JJ plays up front and Curry gets doubled then it's Isiah fualt for not figuring out the lineup...Welcome to the UK mafia...

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by King1:

Holfresh I am a big Lee fan but unlike you I know his strengths and weaknesses. You spin everything in IT favor. This roster is a mess and it is his doing. There is a reason he is on the hot seat right now. Lee has been in the league 2 years and he will get better, but to say JJ is better, and to say he hasnt outplayed most of the people on this team is crazy. You will say let IT do his job. We have for the last three years and where has that gotten Knick fans.

And most spin everything out of ITs favor.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:



Bro whatever you say, they will tact to the negative about Isiah so it really doesn't matter...They will blame Isiah for dissing Lee and not giving him the playing time...When Lee and JJ plays up front and Curry gets doubled then it's Isiah fualt for not figuring out the lineup...Welcome to the UK mafia...

What the hell are you talking about? Every single person who is allegedly part of the "UK Mafia" has given Isiah props in some form or another, whether it has to do with Isiah's drafting or anything else that Isiah has done here(sans Isles.) What you neglect to do is EVER and I mean EVER say a bad thing about Isiah. You parrot every single word he says and you run with it, you spin every single thing to make it look like he knows exactly what he is doing and you fully agree with it.

So no, you're not objective and please don't pretend to be.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by King1:

Last three MLE signed by thomas.
Vin Baker
Jared Jeffires,
Jerome James
Please spin that

Who give a damn it's not your money..we now have DLee,Curry,Frye,Nate,Balkman,Q,Collins and Craw all 26 and under...Do I really need a spin for that?...Do You?