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1/1/2007  2:51 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

3-1 with Curry, Lee, frye, Jcraw and Marbury starting because of suspensions but Isiah hates success so the minute he can bench Lee he does.

Yeah, Isiah is just begging to get fired! BTW, are you saying that if Lee starts against the Suns and Clips we win?.
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1/1/2007  3:51 PM
Ray your on point.

Kato beat out Jerome clear as day...... Lee earned so much but these players dont get rewarded its mind boggling sometimes i wonder if Isiah was controlling LB's sub patterns last year
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1/1/2007  4:06 PM
Agreed. I think it's important not to get too high after the wins and not to get too low after the losses. I think this team showed a lot of flashes and potential this month as well. That's why it ticks me off so much when Isiah goes away from what has been working. For the rest of the year, I stand pat, hope we can put some wins together and win the Atlantic. I would love to see Lee get 40 mpg and when/if Q comes back it should help spread the floor.

By the way, I have to give Curry some credit. He has been getting better at passing out of the double teams -- he's even looking for cutters down the lane. If we get Q back, our offense should be much more balanced.
Posted by holfresh:


I'm here Ray, true, I do agree some of Isiah's lineup had me scratching my head as well...The entire team came out flat and need to be benched..Not sure if it was New Yr's eve or what...Cato should get minutes ahead of Big Turd...But I didn't really see the Knicks being in the game against PHX where anything would have mattered...They were all flat against the Clippers...I guess you can blame the coach for that..

I doubt Isiah is trying to validate his signings...I think it's more important for him to win games...This team just seems like to needs it back against the wall to play well...

I think we saw some good things the last month...Q would have made a huge difference if he was healthy...I won't panic yet...I ahve always maintained that it won't be until February until we know what we have...


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1/1/2007  4:25 PM
We miss Q a lot... I'm starting to wonder about him... I mean this back thing must be pretty sevire to keep him out 8+ games
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1/1/2007  4:33 PM
we really need Q and Nate has a pretty good shooting percentage as well.

Replacing Francis with mardy collins fulfills most of our trade requests (defensive minded pass first low mistake PG).

Still encouraged by the pieces we have in place to build a contender, but the youth is beginning to show..regardless of record, the clips were still a deep western conference playoff team.

We're still a floor leader and reliable outside shooter away (and in some eyes a shot blocker), but taking youth into account, we have all three already on the roster...and they are at or below age 26.

New Year's eve...lack of focus, etc. Poor effort all around, I was happy to see him put collins and rose in...while frye was hitting his shots, he was letting cutters cut and crawford was just crawful in preventing weakside penetration or even recognizing it.

Collins will take the foul...which IMHO is part of playing defense.

When we had shooters on the floor, the let up buckets, he had to put in some defense and rebounding and it made sense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/01/sports/basketball/01knicks.html?_r=1&ref=basketball&oref=slogin

Don't ignore the beginning of that quote:
Thomas tried everything Sunday — playing Curry and Jerome James as co-centers, benching Jeffries for long stretches, and leaning hard on the rookie Mardy Collins. Curry and Jamal Crawford were on the bench in the fourth quarter when a unit featuring James, Collins, Lee, Marbury and Channing Frye cut a 24-point deficit to 84-74 with 3 minutes 36 seconds to play. The Clippers responded with three quick baskets.

“I was just searching, pushing every button I could push tonight,” Thomas said. “And I finally got a group out there that had some semblance of working together and I just tried to stick with it.”
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1/1/2007  4:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:

“I was just searching, pushing every button I could push tonight,” Thomas said. “And I finally got a group out there that had some semblance of working together and I just tried to stick with it.”

Gee, doesn't that sound like something that another coach was doing last year?

When Larry does it, he's the devil.

When Isiah does it, that's just good coaching.

At least that's what the hypocrites on this board will tell you.

I don't think that larry became the devil until after marbury went down and/or after the season...wasn't that like 26 starting lineups deep?

I don't think everyone realized what was going on until it was too late.

By this time last year we were all just scratching our heads (kind of like now).

Any way, the team, while still comprised of a the same members and an extremely similar record, just seems like night and day from last year's bunch.

What a "difference" another year makes?
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1/1/2007  5:46 PM
Posted by Elite:

We miss Q a lot... I'm starting to wonder about him... I mean this back thing must be pretty sevire to keep him out 8+ games

There's a reason why his contract is uninsurable.
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1/1/2007  5:58 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

Any way, the team, while still comprised of a the same members and an extremely similar record, just seems like night and day from last year's bunch.

What a "difference" another year makes?

you could argue that this season is more of a dissapointment b/c of how everybody is on the same page and there's nobody to blame anymore, yet the end result is similar.

now, this team will finish with more than 23 wins, but it will also probably not lose steph to a shoulder injury or trade for a francis and rose.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-01-2007 5:58 PM]
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1/1/2007  10:05 PM
I think isiah is too caught up in lee bringing energy off the bench. He is also caught up in the son he never had, Jared jefferies.

Channing can hit a jumpshot but what does he do that its so important for him to start?

Its a issue. It has nothing to do with Larry brown. Why his name has anything to do with anything is beyond me. Nothing similiar except the losing.

I think lees time is now. So is Currys. Those guys need either a healthy Q or a guy similiar pronto.

Jared still needs to play but off the bench. Balkman still needs too play also.

I also agree that cato has done more than enough to warrnt playing time.

This is all on isiah. Dude is digging his own grave. Still even if he ran the team the way a lot of us are saying the knicks probably would still lose.

Knicks need an upgrade and it begins with Francis, frye, and craw being traded for some added experience and fire power.

Aside from the defense, the knicks lack a complete offensive attack. The knicks can still score but its games like the clipps where you have no idea where the points are gonna come from. Guys are looking around for answers. That explains isiahs sub patterns.

Again this is all on isiah. He has the power to fix it. What will his next move be? Knicks need that move to come asap if he wants to get the upper hand on this season.
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1/1/2007  10:15 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I think isiah is too caught up in lee bringing energy off the bench. He is also caught up in the son he never had, Jared jefferies.

Channing can hit a jumpshot but what does he do that its so important for him to start?

Its a issue. It has nothing to do with Larry brown. Why his name has anything to do with anything is beyond me.Nothing similiar except the losing.

I think lees time is now. So is Currys. Those guys need either a healthy Q or a guy similiar pronto.

Jared still needs to play but off the bench. Balkman still needs too play also.

I also agree that cato has done more than enough to warrnt playing time.

This is all on isiah. Dude is digging his own grave. Still even if he ran the team the way a lot of us are saying the knicks probably would still lose.

Knicks need an upgrade and it begins with Francis, frye, and craw being traded for some added experience and fire power.

Aside from the defense, the knicks lack a complete offensive attack. The knicks can still score but its games like the clipps where you have no idea where the points are gonna come from. Guys are looking around for answers. That explains isiahs sub patterns.

Again this is all on isiah. He has the power to fix it. What will his next move be? Knicks need that move to come asap if he wants to get the upper hand on this season.


In Indy Isiah was known for tinkering with his rotations A LOT. I definitely think he would here too were he not trying to be the anti-Brown.

He's desperate not to repeat and thereby justify Brown's tactics, and he assured his "shaken" players he'd stick with his lineups. If guys weren't injured he probably have all of 1 starting lineup for the season. However, if Brown had won 23 games last year using only 1 starting lineup then Isiah would probably use 42.

Whether that is a wise strategy or not I will leave for others to say, but I think it's all about Larry Brown.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 01-01-2007 10:17 PM]
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1/1/2007  10:33 PM
Blueseats, so isiahs whole motivation is to be the anti brown? Trying his best to do the opposite of what brown did?

You can't be serious.

This whole brown debate is too much. Brown is in Philly. Let it go already.
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1/1/2007  10:43 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Blueseats, so isiahs whole motivation is to be the anti brown? Trying his best to do the opposite of what brown did?

You can't be serious.

This whole brown debate is too much. Brown is in Philly. Let it go already.
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1/1/2007  11:26 PM
Lol.

Its definately isiahs fault but he still has time to redeem.

I'm ready for a trade. As long as lee is not involved I can deal with just about anything.
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1/1/2007  11:41 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Lol.

Its definately isiahs fault but he still has time to redeem.

I'm ready for a trade. As long as lee is not involved I can deal with just about anything.

you think isiah will be allowed to make a deal?
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1/2/2007  3:15 AM
If it doesn't cripple the franchise like layden did then I'm sure dolan would give the blessing.

I guess no ray Allen.
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1/2/2007  11:30 AM
Posted by holfresh:


Joe-Larry never tried or was a advocate for a fast paced or up tempo offense...NEVER...What Isiah is doing this year is completely different to Larry...Larry always wanted to slow it down running a play each time down court...


Hol, Larry said many times that he wanted to use a defense to key a running offense. Larry only resorted to calling plays when plays were constantly broken. I remember why Larry even started calling plays. It goes with his "no head out there" opinion. We didn't play good enough defense to run-nor did we have the offensive execution to play running. What Larry did was akin to what MIke Fratello did when he was in Cleveland-he slowed down the offense so much so that it shortened shot attepmts for the other team. And that is a style that worked because if I remember correctly, that style got the Cavs one Mike Jordan jumper away from the NBA finals.
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1/2/2007  11:37 AM
I miss Cato
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Posted by anrst:

I miss Cato

i like how when he played, he helped but lost his spot to mister new year's eve.

yeah marv, i said it!!!
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