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Anji
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1/1/2007  10:03 PM
Knicks as a team get alot of there shots Punched. IT's really that simple. We ether ask Curry or Frye to score over three people in the paint or the other players don't want to shot, drive into the teeth of the D and get their shots punched. YOu can't use the Knicks as an exmaple....
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1/1/2007  11:03 PM
Bad defensive teams need shot blocker to recover from some portion of defensive blunders.
Good defensive teams can win without true short blocker but bad team has little chanse
I think that us having no short blocker is a good thing - this makes more clear which ajustment we need to make to start moving in right direction.
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1/12/2007  10:04 PM
Okafor's blocked shots were a total nonfactor. The Knicks were practically tied at the half and although they went on to lose Okafor's defensive play was very overrated.
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1/12/2007  10:05 PM
The perimeter defense or lack thereof was a bigger factor.
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1/12/2007  10:08 PM
Posted by Rich:

The perimeter defense or lack thereof was a bigger factor.

Reagrdless the team was still hanging around with pathetic perimeter play until the middle of the 4rth qrt. Keep telling yourself whatever comforts the soul. Can't have it both ways people.
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1/12/2007  10:12 PM
Yeah Anderson scoring 22 was all about them blocks....
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1/12/2007  10:15 PM
Posted by Anji:

Yeah Anderson scoring 22 was all about them blocks....

The team was still in the game even with Anderson's hot shooting.
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1/12/2007  10:18 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Rich:

The perimeter defense or lack thereof was a bigger factor.

Reagrdless the team was still hanging around with pathetic perimeter play until the middle of the 4rth qrt. Keep telling yourself whatever comforts the soul. Can't have it both ways people.

Most of Okafor's blocks were in the first half. Most of Curry's points were in the second half.
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1/12/2007  10:20 PM
Okafor had about 6-7 blocks in the first half and we were down 1 at half. Carrol, Anderson and Felton went nuts in the second half. Game over.
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Posted by Rich:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Rich:

The perimeter defense or lack thereof was a bigger factor.

Reagrdless the team was still hanging around with pathetic perimeter play until the middle of the 4rth qrt. Keep telling yourself whatever comforts the soul. Can't have it both ways people.

Most of Okafor's blocks were in the first half. Most of Curry's points were in the second half.

Answer this ? If Okafor wasn't blocking all those shots in the first half and the Knicks converted their offense in the paint more and got into a rythm could the team have been up in the first half maybe as much as double digits?
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1/12/2007  10:22 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Okafor had about 6-7 blocks in the first half and we were down 1 at half. Carrol, Anderson and Felton went nuts in the second half. Game over.

Exactly Okafor anchored the paint until his team found a serious grove offensively in the second half. If he doesn't, his team is down maybe as much as double digits playing the catchup game on the road, which is difficult to do.
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1/12/2007  10:23 PM
Team was still in the game with Oakfor haveing 8 blocks in the first half too,Wasn;t they????
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1/12/2007  10:25 PM
Posted by Anji:

Team was still in the game with Oakfor haveing 8 blocks in the first half too,Wasn;t they????

Team was still in the game with weak perimeter D weren't they?

Just answer the ? could the Knicks have been up or have the lead in the first half if Okafor wasn't a beast?
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1/12/2007  10:34 PM
Knicks get their shots punched alot. I don't know why,but we get too many shots blocked. It isn't some hindden way toway, we go to the paint tooo much.
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1/12/2007  10:35 PM
True is making some very good points. Having shot blocking is one of those things that can tilt the favor of the game maybe 3-5 points a game, on average. In the NBA, this is huge, since many games end with a team losing by a relatively small margin. Those who are making it sound like blocks have little or no impact have some explaining to do.
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1/12/2007  10:36 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Rich:

The perimeter defense or lack thereof was a bigger factor.

Reagrdless the team was still hanging around with pathetic perimeter play until the middle of the 4rth qrt. Keep telling yourself whatever comforts the soul. Can't have it both ways people.

Most of Okafor's blocks were in the first half. Most of Curry's points were in the second half.

Answer this ? If Okafor wasn't blocking all those shots in the first half and the Knicks converted their offense in the paint more and got into a rythm could the team have been up in the first half maybe as much as double digits?

I don't thiink so. The run at the end of the half really wasn't the result of the blocks.

Don't get me wrong, the blocks were impressive, but I don't think they were critical to the outcome.
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1/12/2007  10:40 PM
It's like if a guy comes in here and gets 15 steals or 20 assist, yeah players having ungoly totals in those areas of the games are goingto be on the winning. But there is a difference between saying it helps and that's why they won.

1/10 S.Dalembert 3 blocks=knicks win
1/3 J.Przybilla 3 blocks=knicks win
12/20 E.Okafor 3=knicks win
12/18 A.Kirilenko 4=knicks win
12/13 J.Smith 4=knicks win
Z.Ilgauskas 3=knicks win
A.Mourning 4=knicks win
R.Gay 4=knicks winb
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1/12/2007  10:44 PM
i think the knicks lack shot blocking.
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1/12/2007  10:58 PM
Posted by Anji:

It's like if a guy comes in here and gets 15 steals or 20 assist, yeah players having ungoly totals in those areas of the games are goingto be on the winning. But there is a difference between saying it helps and that's why they won.

1/10 S.Dalembert 3 blocks=knicks win
1/3 J.Przybilla 3 blocks=knicks win
12/20 E.Okafor 3=knicks win
12/18 A.Kirilenko 4=knicks win
12/13 J.Smith 4=knicks win
Z.Ilgauskas 3=knicks win
A.Mourning 4=knicks win
R.Gay 4=knicks winb

Yeah but the games in which the Knicks lose there are more of them against teams that had a player(s) getting 3blks or more. I believe the record is just above .500 just like Curry's 20pts+ is barely above .500(11-9).

Of their 22 losses so far 12 of them consist of a player(s) getting 3blks or more. Of their 16 wins 8 of them consist of player(s) getting 3 or more blocks. This comes to (12-8) record, in which blks greatly contributes to wins vs losses.

Keep stroking your conscience though.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-12-2007 9:58 PM]
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1/12/2007  11:17 PM
My opinion on blocked shots:

If Curry, Frye and/or Lee were great shotblockers, Isiah and all your Isiah lovers wouldn't be saying how overrated they are.

Personally I think having an intimidator in the middle can be a huge help, especially on a team with guards that can't defend penetration. As Knicks fans we should all remember what a difference it was in 94 and 99 to have Ewing and Camby protecting the paint.
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