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How can the knicks improve the team going into the new year?
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BlueSeats
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12/31/2006  6:20 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Frye in my opinion can be replaced. He has yet to establish any floor game. No post or face game. Its all jumpers and maybe a hook if he gets position and he rarely does. Still he is getting better and the chemistry and balance he brings is what makes it work.


IMO, Isiah is doing a bad job with Frye. As I've said before, I liken it to the way Sheed played so much tougher under brown than Flip. Frye needs to be developed into an inside-outside KG type player or it's a waste.

I understand the situation with Eddy down low, but Isiah has to develop a structure that allows room for both, in the same way Popovich figured out how to get the best from Robinson and Duncan.
To me the knicks need Q back. He is not Tracy mcgrady or Paul pierce but on any given night he makes a good impersonation. How healthy is this mofo? Will he be back like within the week? If not this is where the knicks have to improve. Maggette is around, maybe even rashard Lewis and artest. Stephen Jackson? I think the knicks need to start to think about that cuz I believe that getting a solid 3 that will be healthy for the knicks is the key to moving forward.

When healthy, I thought Q was our most important player. He was the soul of the team.

We do need to replace his production on both ends of the floor, and on the boards, but he was also the emotional leader on the floor. He was a pace setter and with his ties to guys like Crawford and Curry he was our leader. The loss of his emotion and leadership might be our greatest deficiency.
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12/31/2006  6:24 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

When healthy, I thought Q was our most important player. He was the soul of the team.

We do need to replace his production on both ends of the floor, and on the boards, but he was also the emotional leader on the floor. He was a pace setter and with his ties to guys like Crawford and Curry he was our leader. The loss of his emotion and leadership might be our greatest deficiency.

q is damaged goods and i fear he may never break 60 games a season.
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12/31/2006  6:25 PM
The other guy I forgot to mention is Maggette. I said before he is an awesome player but is injured way too much. If it didn't cost us much (Frye?, Jefferies?, Francis?) I would be all for it, but I won't overpay for him.
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12/31/2006  6:27 PM
maggette was killing the clippers today. he's a ball stopper and he looks to be a lockerroom problem.
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12/31/2006  6:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

maggette was killing the clippers today. he's a ball stopper and he looks to be a lockerroom problem.

He's unhappy coming off the bench(and he really has a reason to be- he is behind Mobley and Tim Thomas-there is no reason for him to come off the bench). I heard Dunleavy doesn't like him either...so, taking that into consideration I would consider it, especially if we could move someone like Francis for him.
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12/31/2006  6:43 PM
Mo Pete is a short term answer(I personally wouldn't look at him other than the fact he is a FA at the end of the year).

Another interesting thing that came up is Stro Swift is being shopped. I would be open to the Knicks taking on his contract in a deal by forcing the Griz to give up Mike Miller-who is showing an all-around game I never thought he had.

When Gasol said "something has to change" after another home loss to Milwaukee last week, Fratello's fate was sealed because West and team owner Michael Heisley are adamant about not trading either Gasol or Miller. Lesser veterans, such as Stromile Swift, are readily available, though.
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12/31/2006  10:28 PM
Ok so we got some names so who do you guys think are available on the knicks roster?

Isiah is a con artist. Who knows what this mofo is gonna do.

Craw, frye, Nate, malik, Jerome? Sounds about right but who the heck are the knicks gonna get with that group?
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12/31/2006  10:32 PM
I'd honestly kep Craw...I can still see him as a good PG...

Frye and Nate are the keys because you aren't going to get anything for guys like Francis, Jerome, or Malik.

Frye is especially valuable because most 6-11 young talents are hard to trade for.

A package of Frye and Nate alone should be able to net you a guy like a Josh Smith or Maggette because they want to get rid of Maggette so bad. Other than Maggette the guys available-other than a Pietrus or a Richardson shouldn't cost that much, IMO.
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12/31/2006  11:37 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Every once in a while I post a thread like this to annoy myself.

Of course the knicks need s shot blocker, a better defender at the 2 and a better wing.

The question is who is available? Anybody can make a vague comment, but who are you willing to trade and who are you targeting?

Making any trade will greatly change the face of the team. I don't think the knicks need to do that. The knicks need a tweak. What that tweak should be is the major question.

I don't think you can trade a dude like Eddie curry personally. Getting a shotblocking center means curry has to go. Again I don't see anyone available that is good enough defensively to trade curry.

Frye in my opinion can be replaced. He has yet to establish any floor game. No post or face game. Its all jumpers and maybe a hook if he gets position and he rarely does. Still he is getting better and the chemistry and balance he brings is what makes it work.

You guys are too hard on craw. The guy has lead the knicks along with marbs during the recent stretch of success the knicks have been having.

A young raja bell? Who would that be? Sounds good but raja is not hands down better than craw. He doesn't have to be but where is this young raja bell?

I'm not attacking anyone. I have been debating the same questions I'm asking all season.

To me the knicks need Q back. He is not Tracy mcgrady or Paul pierce but on any given night he makes a good impersonation. How healthy is this mofo? Will he be back like within the week? If not this is where the knicks have to improve. Maggette is around, maybe even rashard Lewis and artest. Stephen Jackson? I think the knicks need to start to think about that cuz I believe that getting a solid 3 that will be healthy for the knicks is the key to moving forward.

Same old stuff
This team is in tweaking mode for 6+ years and this doesn't work.
In fact tweaking never works.
This team needs a new identity and fresh start.
And this means at minimum new GM and new couch
This is the first and most important thing the Knicks organization need in 2007.
Getting read of IT is my NY Knicks New Year resolution and personal New Year wish...
Talking about players - they are OK. They are not used right way and not put together right so it is no way to say if they are good or bad. It's all depends on system, couching style, team direction which we have NONE.













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1/1/2007  3:45 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by EnySpree:

Every once in a while I post a thread like this to annoy myself.

Of course the knicks need s shot blocker, a better defender at the 2 and a better wing.

The question is who is available? Anybody can make a vague comment, but who are you willing to trade and who are you targeting?

Making any trade will greatly change the face of the team. I don't think the knicks need to do that. The knicks need a tweak. What that tweak should be is the major question.

I don't think you can trade a dude like Eddie curry personally. Getting a shotblocking center means curry has to go. Again I don't see anyone available that is good enough defensively to trade curry.

Frye in my opinion can be replaced. He has yet to establish any floor game. No post or face game. Its all jumpers and maybe a hook if he gets position and he rarely does. Still he is getting better and the chemistry and balance he brings is what makes it work.

You guys are too hard on craw. The guy has lead the knicks along with marbs during the recent stretch of success the knicks have been having.

A young raja bell? Who would that be? Sounds good but raja is not hands down better than craw. He doesn't have to be but where is this young raja bell?

I'm not attacking anyone. I have been debating the same questions I'm asking all season.

To me the knicks need Q back. He is not Tracy mcgrady or Paul pierce but on any given night he makes a good impersonation. How healthy is this mofo? Will he be back like within the week? If not this is where the knicks have to improve. Maggette is around, maybe even rashard Lewis and artest. Stephen Jackson? I think the knicks need to start to think about that cuz I believe that getting a solid 3 that will be healthy for the knicks is the key to moving forward.

Same old stuff
This team is in tweaking mode for 6+ years and this doesn't work.
In fact tweaking never works.
This team needs a new identity and fresh start.
And this means at minimum new GM and new couch
This is the first and most important thing the Knicks organization need in 2007.
Getting read of IT is my NY Knicks New Year resolution and personal New Year wish...
Talking about players - they are OK. They are not used right way and not put together right so it is no way to say if they are good or bad. It's all depends on system, couching style, team direction which we have NONE.

I continue to think that the team is not as far away from being a contender as some might think. We just need to figure out how to add some leadership and more defense to the squad and we will start winning more games. This team is 1 or 2 good trades away from being a real playoff contender. The question is whether IT can make those good trades or whether we get saddled with more duplicative talent. I would rather see the team not make any moves this season and just wait until the summer unless a great trade comes along (like KG becomes available). We should have more tradable assets this summer. Rose will be in the final year of his deal and would become an attractive trade asset. Plus, if Francis can come back healthy before the end of the year, he would only have two years left on his deal and might be tradeable to a contender with a weak PG (like Miami or Clevland).

The goal for the new year should be to win as many games as possible while still developing our young talent. Ultimately, I would like to see this team win the Atlantic division. It is a very possible goal and the team needs to realize that a solid playoff appearance is just what they need to get the fans supporting them again, to get some valuable experience to build upon for next year, and to ensure that Chicago does not get a high first round pick, which would really upset the fan base.
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1/1/2007  4:02 PM
^ we no longer have rose's contract to use as trade bait since he was bought out. francis has bad knees, I doubt well be able to trade him without taking back a longer contract at minimum. also it will be hard to put a leader on this team with some of the egos we have (marbury). and also it wont be easy to make any trades anyway since all of our players except our really young ones are overpaid. you might be right about that 1 or 2 moves away thing, but isiah definately wont be able to make them. and also out of curiosity, can you give some examples of the 1 or 2 trades you are talking about?
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1/1/2007  4:45 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

^ we no longer have rose's contract to use as trade bait since he was bought out. francis has bad knees, I doubt well be able to trade him without taking back a longer contract at minimum. also it will be hard to put a leader on this team with some of the egos we have (marbury). and also it wont be easy to make any trades anyway since all of our players except our really young ones are overpaid. you might be right about that 1 or 2 moves away thing, but isiah definately wont be able to make them. and also out of curiosity, can you give some examples of the 1 or 2 trades you are talking about?

I meant Malik Rose. I think he has only one season left on his contract after this year and he will become very tradeable by this summer. As far as trades, I think we need to upgrade our SG position with a two-way player or a more consistent scorer than Crawford. We also could use more of a two-way player at the SF position. We also need to consolidate our talent. Lewis is a possibility. He is a young SF that shoots at a high percentage and is far more consistent than Crawford. If we could trade Crawford and another player and/or draft pick for Lewis, I think that might help us balance out our offense. Seattle probably would not like that trade, but Lewis is hurt right now and I don't think Seattle wants to sign him to a long-term extension (which we would be willing to do), so a trade for Lewis is not impossible. Plus, Crawford is from Seattle and will be a fan favorite there. This trade would give us the consistent outside shooter that we need to go along with Curry. We also need to figure out what to do with Francis and Q and whether there is another trade we can make to upgrade the SG spot. A team of Marbury, a solid SG, Lewis, Frye/Lee, and Curry would be a pretty solid team. It is not going to be easy to make the right trades, but I think with a clear plan and the right timing, we can bring in the players we need without losing our core players.

[Edited by - TheGAme on 01-01-2007 4:46 PM]
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