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islesfan
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12/31/2006  12:29 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:
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Who made the deal?

Seriously Isles I know we have our back and forth but You really can't tell me LB wasn't behind the deal to get the delusional kid out of town...Dolan said LB begged him for that deal...If you coach that you owe 50 mil to said he needs this to get him over the top how on earth are you blaming Isiah for this...How???


Who is the GM? Isiah

Who is the ONLY person that can actually make trades? Isiah

Anyone can suggest a trade. Dolan approves trades. But only Isiah decides who stays and who goes.

Very simple concept, you'd think people would be able to grasp it.

You are so wrong on this one....Obviously Isiah didn't want the trade if Dolan had to be begged for the deal to go through...If Isiah wanted the trade he would have asked Dolan himself...The fact that Larry had to beg meant that the GM wasn't going along with the trade...I know you hate Isiah bro, but come on....

"Obviously Isiah didn't want the trade", but he went ahead and made it anyway!?!?!

Amazing. Truly amazing the lengths that some people will go to avoid giving any blame to Isiah while continuing to bash Larry every chance they get.
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12/31/2006  12:29 AM
Rich, I am not being sarcastic. I don't like the guy. He is a phony. I think everything about him is disingenuous.
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12/31/2006  12:30 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

Rich, I am not being sarcastic. I don't like the guy. He is a phony. I think everything about him is disingenuous.

He's a grifter.
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12/31/2006  12:33 AM
What's Isiah?

What's Dolan?

Larry isn't the only person whose character is questionable.
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12/31/2006  12:35 AM
Vagabond. Carpetbagger. You name it. But he isn't the rock who you build your franchise on. Not now with the old man, and probably even less when he was young and in gypsy high mode. I knew he wasn't the guy from intuition. He set us back a year or two but we shall rise.
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12/31/2006  12:35 AM
I am not a Brown apologist, I have no reason to be one. He did nothing for this franchise while with the the organization, he did nothing before he was with this organization and he'll do nothing for this franchise in the future. What I do have a problem with though is that people think by firing Brown and having him exiled is going to solve the problems of this franchise, like he was the big problem. The problem lies with the man that hired him and he's been a problem since December of 2003. The guy that made his name with the Detroit Pistons and was born in Chicago. The guy that killed the Knicks 1000 times during his playing career and to this day he's still killing the Knicks with his executive career. Thats where the problem lies.
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12/31/2006  12:37 AM
Posted by islesfan:

What's Isiah?

What's Dolan?

Larry isn't the only person whose character is questionable.

Isiah = too slick for his own good at times

Dolan = someone who is so clueless that if his father wasn't a billionaire, he'd be selling pencils on the subway
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12/31/2006  12:37 AM
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Dolan = someone who is so clueless that if his father wasn't a billionaire, he'd be selling pencils on the subway

LOL!
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12/31/2006  12:40 AM


Amazing. Truly amazing the lengths that some people will go to avoid giving any blame to Isiah while continuing to bash Larry every chance they get.
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There is plenty of things to point the finger at IT, this is not one of them. Again, when they decided to pay the 50 mil, you indirectly gave him alot of pull in the organization. If he goes to execs and says he wants this player and sells them on it, with his resume and the trust you have put into him, you make a business move and trust your hall of fame coach. So you pull the trigger, the fact that he turns around and benches the guy is what probably sent them over the top. You fight for this guy and now you dont play him.

Thats not a Larry bash, that is just how business works in general.
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12/31/2006  12:46 AM
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There is plenty of things to point the finger at IT, this is not one of them. Again, when they decided to pay the 50 mil, you indirectly gave him alot of pull in the organization. If he goes to execs and says he wants this player and sells them on it, with his resume and the trust you have put into him, you make a business move and trust your hall of fame coach. So you pull the trigger, the fact that he turns around and benches the guy is what probably sent them over the top. You fight for this guy and now you dont play him.

Thats not a Larry bash, that is just how business works in general.

How is this not one of them??? The GM makes trades. Others may suggest but ultimately the decision to trade a player and then to formulate trades and execute them are solely the responsibility of the GM. Therefore it's the GM that deserves credit or blame for player procurement.

Nobody put a gun to Isiah's head and forced him to make that trade.

[Edited by - islesfan on 12-31-2006 12:48 AM]
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12/31/2006  12:49 AM
Larry wanted Marbury gone way before Rose or Francis got here. Why wasn't that trade made then?
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12/31/2006  12:51 AM
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There is plenty of things to point the finger at IT, this is not one of them. Again, when they decided to pay the 50 mil, you indirectly gave him alot of pull in the organization. If he goes to execs and says he wants this player and sells them on it, with his resume and the trust you have put into him, you make a business move and trust your hall of fame coach. So you pull the trigger, the fact that he turns around and benches the guy is what probably sent them over the top. You fight for this guy and now you dont play him.

Thats not a Larry bash, that is just how business works in general.

How is this not one of them??? The GM makes trades. Others may suggest but ultimately the decision to trade a player and then to formulate trades and execute them are solely the responsibility of the GM. Therefore it's the GM that deserves credit or blame for player procurement.

Nobody put a gun to Isiah's head and forced him to make that trade.

[Edited by - islesfan on 12-31-2006 12:48 AM]

So are you saying a HOF coach like LB doesn't have the clout to go over the head of Isiah to get this trade done???
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12/31/2006  12:52 AM
If Isiah was so useless once Brown was hired why didnt Dolan just fire him?
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12/31/2006  12:55 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

If Isiah was so useless once Brown was hired why didnt Dolan just fire him?

You, my friend are delusional!!!
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12/31/2006  12:58 AM
Posted by holfresh:
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If Isiah was so useless once Brown was hired why didnt Dolan just fire him?

You, my friend are delusional!!!


Sorry Isiah, I know how you get when people talk about you in a disparaging manner.
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12/31/2006  1:00 AM
You people miss the point, you went out and made the man the highest paid coach in sports (i think or one the highest)

Then when the guy comes to you and asks you to make this trade, you tell him no ? This was more a business move to try and make it work with Brown, once they realized that Brown wasn't getting anything done, things went bad.

Also why fire IT, at that point ?
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12/31/2006  1:02 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Larry wanted Marbury gone way before Rose or Francis got here. Why wasn't that trade made then?


I'm not holding my breath for an answer to that one.

Also, if Brown could make Isiah get him whoever he wanted how come we don't have Snow, Lynch, Ratliff and every other washed up vet his detractors insisted he wanted.
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12/31/2006  1:06 AM
Posted by holfresh:
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There is plenty of things to point the finger at IT, this is not one of them. Again, when they decided to pay the 50 mil, you indirectly gave him alot of pull in the organization. If he goes to execs and says he wants this player and sells them on it, with his resume and the trust you have put into him, you make a business move and trust your hall of fame coach. So you pull the trigger, the fact that he turns around and benches the guy is what probably sent them over the top. You fight for this guy and now you dont play him.

Thats not a Larry bash, that is just how business works in general.

How is this not one of them??? The GM makes trades. Others may suggest but ultimately the decision to trade a player and then to formulate trades and execute them are solely the responsibility of the GM. Therefore it's the GM that deserves credit or blame for player procurement.

Nobody put a gun to Isiah's head and forced him to make that trade.

[Edited by - islesfan on 12-31-2006 12:48 AM]

So are you saying a HOF coach like LB doesn't have the clout to go over the head of Isiah to get this trade done???

If LB could go over Isiah's head, don't you think more moves would have been made?

Isiah should have said what Dumars and Walsh said to Brown whenever he wanted a trade made that they didn't agree with. That being "NO".
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12/31/2006  1:09 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Michael6835:



There is plenty of things to point the finger at IT, this is not one of them. Again, when they decided to pay the 50 mil, you indirectly gave him alot of pull in the organization. If he goes to execs and says he wants this player and sells them on it, with his resume and the trust you have put into him, you make a business move and trust your hall of fame coach. So you pull the trigger, the fact that he turns around and benches the guy is what probably sent them over the top. You fight for this guy and now you dont play him.

Thats not a Larry bash, that is just how business works in general.

How is this not one of them??? The GM makes trades. Others may suggest but ultimately the decision to trade a player and then to formulate trades and execute them are solely the responsibility of the GM. Therefore it's the GM that deserves credit or blame for player procurement.

Nobody put a gun to Isiah's head and forced him to make that trade.

[Edited by - islesfan on 12-31-2006 12:48 AM]

So are you saying a HOF coach like LB doesn't have the clout to go over the head of Isiah to get this trade done???

If LB could go over Isiah's head, don't you think more moves would have been made?

Isiah should have said what Dumars and Walsh said to Brown whenever he wanted a trade made that they didn't agree with. That being "NO".
BUT DOLAN DID SAY THAT LB WENT OVER ISIAH FOR THIS TRADE...Does this sentence appear blank on your screen???
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12/31/2006  1:11 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Michael6835:



There is plenty of things to point the finger at IT, this is not one of them. Again, when they decided to pay the 50 mil, you indirectly gave him alot of pull in the organization. If he goes to execs and says he wants this player and sells them on it, with his resume and the trust you have put into him, you make a business move and trust your hall of fame coach. So you pull the trigger, the fact that he turns around and benches the guy is what probably sent them over the top. You fight for this guy and now you dont play him.

Thats not a Larry bash, that is just how business works in general.

How is this not one of them??? The GM makes trades. Others may suggest but ultimately the decision to trade a player and then to formulate trades and execute them are solely the responsibility of the GM. Therefore it's the GM that deserves credit or blame for player procurement.

Nobody put a gun to Isiah's head and forced him to make that trade.

[Edited by - islesfan on 12-31-2006 12:48 AM]

So are you saying a HOF coach like LB doesn't have the clout to go over the head of Isiah to get this trade done???

If LB could go over Isiah's head, don't you think more moves would have been made?

Isiah should have said what Dumars and Walsh said to Brown whenever he wanted a trade made that they didn't agree with. That being "NO".

If I recall Croce(owner) stepped up in Philly and basically told both Larry and AI, "Neither of you is going anywhere so deal with it".

Billy King told Larry no plenty of times when he wanted to trade AI.
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