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Queeniepop
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12/30/2006  2:38 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by rojasmas:

I agree Quennie! Jeffries is a bench role player at best. Like a Quentin Ross on the paperclips. Can't see him stealing Lee minutes or even worse when Q gets back.

5yrs/$31mil says otherwise

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-30-2006 12:33 AM]

Well then what does 5 yrs MLE $ to Jerome say? And the $48M we owe back-up, pine warming, role playing former All-Star, the artist otherwise known as Stevie Franchise.

Touche TrueBlue!
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Queeniepop
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12/30/2006  2:38 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

who was jeffries guarding tonight?

Nobody...along with Eddy
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12/30/2006  3:00 AM
I agree, and he definitely shouldn't start.
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12/30/2006  6:09 AM
He's a role player - a backup on a team which doesn't need another backup. If we can trade him for even a late first, I'd do it in a second.
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12/30/2006  6:59 AM
How many games did he play as a Knick?! 5 !?
Come on, it is a little fast to judge him on the role he can play on this team!!!
Of course he has flaws in his game (his O seems non existing, his rebounding in fact is not as bad as advertised!!! etc.) but hey nobody can act as if those where not known!!!
I really like his mentality though, he is hustling as far as I was able to see, he already seems a part of the team (races after Melo) and this is really nice to see. Should he start over Lee???
No!!! But thats not due to him being that bad, but for Lee being a Monster!!!!!

Dont be so fast bashing this guy!!!
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12/30/2006  8:52 AM
he only played 5games? All the reason to not disrupt what was working with Curry, Frye, Lee then. I'm not even sure if Jeffries should be playing over Balkman at the moment. Both suck offensively but at least Balkman was blocking a ton of shots

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-30-2006 08:54 AM]
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12/30/2006  9:17 AM
Just chill and give him some time.
The guy didn't had a very nice start with his injury, and we all know how it's tough to get in rythm on the fly.

Some of you criticized the draft choice of Frye, the draft choice of lee, the Q signing, the curry signing, Balkman...

Just give Jared some time. And give you a chance to not be obliged to eat crow, one more time. The team is doing good, he can be part of it.
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12/30/2006  9:28 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:
Posted by SlimPack:

who was jeffries guarding tonight?

Nobody...along with Eddy

When he scores like Eddy, the analogy may matter.
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12/30/2006  9:30 AM
Jeffries scoring is actually up...its only getting worse
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12/30/2006  9:43 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

1) Start Curry, Frye, and Lee every game.
2) Run pick and rolls where you dont ignore the roller
3) If something works milk it till the other team adjusts wjether ists post ups, pick and pops, pick and roles or isolations.
4) On posts ups dont stand and watch so your man can double. Cut to to the hoop or clear out. If you just stand there you make it easy!
5) Work some high lows with Frye.
6) If guys are going to front throw some lobs to the hoop

Thats all that stands between us and 500. Isiah needs to get to work

good list.

oohah

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12/30/2006  11:15 AM
Hate the idea of having a one-way player getting major minutes at perhaps the most skilled position in the league. He's a bench/role player nothing more. I understand you need to defend the sing position, but he is such a lialbilty on the O, it takes away from the defense (and lets be honest, he hasn't shut anyone down as of yet)he may provide.

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12/30/2006  11:19 AM
He is not only a liability on offense. He hurts our other players offensive chemistry leading to fast bereaks the other way.
In the 5 games he has started we have given up big points (108,145, 123,112,82) so how is he helping?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  11:26 AM
Ok this is off topic but i didn't want to start another thread. But francis is limping out there on the court, can't shot, can't defend. Please tell me the NY knicks are not reduced to putting one legged players out there when we are trying to get a win. what is the point of that i would rather another 2 legged player like balkman go out there and get some experience. on another note did the NYK's look scared in the first half or what. all of the bigs seemed nervous against amare and he was in foul trouble. we made K.Thomas look like an great player. we gave him the shots he prefers. next up, we don't really need to overplay diaw's or marion's jumpshot we need to overplay their drives to the whole. my last 2 complaints: rebounding and foul shooting its not like it just happens once in a while everynight our bigs except for lee go for the rebound, and when we go to the foul line we just give away points ( forget hack a shaq, its more like hack a knick).
P.S. can frye get is butt in the paint and do some big man duties i feel like he thinks he is dirk or something.

P.S.S - Beyond Pissed

[Edited by - armondaone on 12-30-2006 11:29 AM]
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12/30/2006  11:27 AM
Jeffries has been jamming us up so far.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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12/30/2006  11:28 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

He is not only a liability on offense. He hurts our other players offensive chemistry leading to fast bereaks the other way.
In the 5 games he has started we have given up big points (108,145, 123,112,82) so how is he helping?

Last night and against the Pistons, I noticed a couple of plays where the Knicks showed some good ball movement and swung the ball the perimeter. Unfotunately, the ball ended up in Jeffries hands in the corner and being that he was wide open, he had not choice but to jack up an unconfident looking jumper that clanked off the rim and led to a long rebound back the other way for as you say a fast break basket.

I understand Jeffries isn't here for is offense, but as I said earlier, the idea of haveing a one-way player at a highly skilled position is a killer. There are plenty of good-defending hustle players who play the wing just as good as Jeffries that aren't liabilities on Offense. Gerald Wallace immidiately comes to mind.
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12/30/2006  11:29 AM
Posted by Armondaone:

Ok this is off topic but i didn't want to start another thread. But francis is limping out there on the court, can't shot, can't defend. Please tell me the NY knicks are not reduced to putting one legged players out there when we are trying to get a win. what is the point of that i would rather another 2 legged player like balkman go out there and get some experience. on antoher note did the NYK's look scared in the first half or what. all of the bigs seemwd nervous against amare and he was in foul trouble. we made K.Thomas look like an great player. we gave him the shots he prefers. next up, we don't really need to overplay diaw's or marion's jumpshot we need to overplay their drive to the whole. my last 2 complaints: rebounding and foul shooting its not like it just happens once in a while everynight or bigs except for lee go for the rebound, and when we go to the foul line we just give away points ( forget hack a shaq, its more like hack a knick).
P.S. can frye get is butt in the paint and do some big man duties i feel like he thinks he is dirk or something.

P.S.S - Beyond Pissed

I agree with most of what you wrote, especially Francis playing on one leg. It just doesn't help. In fact it hurts.

You gotta understand something though: Frye plays where the coach plays him. His role in the offense is in the perimeter most of the time. he can't just decide to pay down low, that is the coaches call.

oohah

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12/30/2006  11:32 AM
Big Beast,
That is exactly my point. While JJ is a good not great 1 on 1 defender we still are worse defensively because when he kills our offensive execution it leads to fast breaks the other way. Your example is exactly the problem. The best way for us to slow other teams down is to actually score or in Dlees case get some offensive boards. Mark my words down. this team will let up more points with JJ starting than D Lee starting

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-30-2006 11:32 AM]
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  11:33 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Armondaone:

Ok this is off topic but i didn't want to start another thread. But francis is limping out there on the court, can't shot, can't defend. Please tell me the NY knicks are not reduced to putting one legged players out there when we are trying to get a win. what is the point of that i would rather another 2 legged player like balkman go out there and get some experience. on antoher note did the NYK's look scared in the first half or what. all of the bigs seemwd nervous against amare and he was in foul trouble. we made K.Thomas look like an great player. we gave him the shots he prefers. next up, we don't really need to overplay diaw's or marion's jumpshot we need to overplay their drive to the whole. my last 2 complaints: rebounding and foul shooting its not like it just happens once in a while everynight or bigs except for lee go for the rebound, and when we go to the foul line we just give away points ( forget hack a shaq, its more like hack a knick).
P.S. can frye get is butt in the paint and do some big man duties i feel like he thinks he is dirk or something.

P.S.S - Beyond Pissed

I agree with most of what you wrote, especially Francis playing on one leg. It just doesn't help. In fact it hurts.

You gotta understand something though: Frye plays where the coach plays him. His role in the offense is in the perimeter most of the time. he can't just decide to pay down low, that is the coaches call.

oohah

then we need to get another player that can bang down low. can you image if curry gets hurt we are done for. I vote we get cato ready to play and jj in a suit in the stands
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12/30/2006  11:41 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Armondaone:

Ok this is off topic but i didn't want to start another thread. But francis is limping out there on the court, can't shot, can't defend. Please tell me the NY knicks are not reduced to putting one legged players out there when we are trying to get a win. what is the point of that i would rather another 2 legged player like balkman go out there and get some experience. on antoher note did the NYK's look scared in the first half or what. all of the bigs seemwd nervous against amare and he was in foul trouble. we made K.Thomas look like an great player. we gave him the shots he prefers. next up, we don't really need to overplay diaw's or marion's jumpshot we need to overplay their drive to the whole. my last 2 complaints: rebounding and foul shooting its not like it just happens once in a while everynight or bigs except for lee go for the rebound, and when we go to the foul line we just give away points ( forget hack a shaq, its more like hack a knick).
P.S. can frye get is butt in the paint and do some big man duties i feel like he thinks he is dirk or something.

P.S.S - Beyond Pissed

I agree with most of what you wrote, especially Francis playing on one leg. It just doesn't help. In fact it hurts.

You gotta understand something though: Frye plays where the coach plays him. His role in the offense is in the perimeter most of the time. he can't just decide to pay down low, that is the coaches call.

oohah

Oohah Frye is more comfy on the perimeter. Even when Curry is not in the game Frye likes the jumper. He is one of the best jump shooting bigs in the game so its not a surprise he would rather shoot jumpers than bang bang bang. Down low his basic move is a jump hook. He isnt a guy that likes to be down there. Coming in to the league he said he saw himself and patterned himself after Rasheed Wallace. Wallace used to be very good down low (better than frye) but he also would rather shoot outside. Frye is a very good player whereer he shoots. There is nothing wrong with frye getting 20ppg from 20 feet out. It works for Dirk and other quality bigs
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  4:29 PM
I remember an announcer stating that Isiah said he is not going to have a player lose his starting job because he got injured. So thats probably his reasoning for having Frye & Jefferies as a starter right now.

I think these last 2 games should be enough for him to put Lee back in the starting lineup for Jefferies though. Jefferies got his two games back in. Lee is out playing him. Easy decision.
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