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holfresh
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12/30/2006  11:52 AM
Well I completely disagree with you assessment on Marbury and what he means to the team...He is a much more important piece than any other those you mentioned...He is much more important than Lee, JCraw or QRich...I think it was Isle who started the thread as Marbury goes so does the Knicks...I don't completely agree with that but I think he is very important as is Curry...Those two are irreplaceable at this stage...They have to be the constant...I too wish it wasn't so...I wish we were more of a team but right now the Knicks needs Marbs and Curry to be successful...If you don't recognize that well you are in denial...
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12/30/2006  11:57 AM
Posted by holfresh:

Well I completely disagree with you assessment on Marbury and what he means to the team...He is a much more important piece than any other those you mentioned...He is much more important than Lee, JCraw or QRich...I think it was Isle who started the thread as Marbury goes so does the Knicks...I don't completely agree with that but I think he is very important as is Curry...Those two are irreplaceable at this stage...They have to be the constant...I too wish it wasn't so...I wish we were more of a team but right now the Knicks needs Marbs and Curry to be successful...If you don't recognize that well you are in denial...
We want all our players to play well but you seem to act like Marbury is responsible for all our wins and then dont give him that same accountability for our losses. How has he been more important than Lee averaging a double double? How has he been more important than Jcraw who is clearly out producing him this year? How many games has Marbury played well in out of 33 games this year? Here is his game log.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3099/gamelog;_ylt=Ah2RcVDqld0GeXsrN01KpGukvLYF

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  12:07 PM

Are you really questioning how is Marbs more important than Lee...I would say half of Lee's points comes from assist from Marbury...
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12/30/2006  12:16 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Are you really questioning how is Marbs more important than Lee...I would say half of Lee's points comes from assist from Marbury...

I have no doubt in my mind Lee is more important to us. Marbury only averages 5 assists per game. So you are saying 3 a game go to Lee? So that means he only averages 2 asists per game to the rest of the team? Thats our ball distributor?

Yes I will take

Lees 11ppg-10.5rpg in 30 minutes on 63% shooting
over
Marbs 13ppg-5.2apg in 35 minutes on 40% shooting

By the way you did not answer my question. I asked you how many games has Marbury played well out of 32 games this year. I even provided his game log for you


[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-30-2006 12:17 PM]
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  12:23 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by holfresh:


Are you really questioning how is Marbs more important than Lee...I would say half of Lee's points comes from assist from Marbury...

I have no doubt in my mind Lee is more important to us. Marbury only averages 5 assists per game. So you are saying 3 a game go to Lee? So that means he only averages 2 asists per game to the rest of the team? Thats our ball distributor?

Yes I will take

Lees 11ppg-10.5rpg in 30 minutes on 63% shooting
over
Marbs 13ppg-5.2apg in 35 minutes on 40% shooting

By the way you did not answer my question. I asked you how many games has Marbury played well out of 32 games this year. I even provided his game log for you


[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-30-2006 12:17 PM]

Sugar, the big flaw I see in the postings you have made about benching Marbury is that Marbury is not in competition with Lee/Frye/Q/Curry. The only player he can be said to be in competition with is Crawford, as Crawford is the only player we have right now that can possibly play PG.

Crawford probably has been somewhat better than Marbury this season, but Marbury has been muuuuuch better throughout his career. So I think we should place our bets on what they have been doing throughout their careers. Marbury has looked like the old Marbury recently, and has been playing better than Crawford, so I think he is a better PG prospect than Crawford, who really is not a PG anyway.

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12/30/2006  12:32 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by holfresh:


Are you really questioning how is Marbs more important than Lee...I would say half of Lee's points comes from assist from Marbury...

I have no doubt in my mind Lee is more important to us. Marbury only averages 5 assists per game. So you are saying 3 a game go to Lee? So that means he only averages 2 asists per game to the rest of the team? Thats our ball distributor?

Yes I will take

Lees 11ppg-10.5rpg in 30 minutes on 63% shooting
over
Marbs 13ppg-5.2apg in 35 minutes on 40% shooting

By the way you did not answer my question. I asked you how many games has Marbury played well out of 32 games this year. I even provided his game log for you


[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-30-2006 12:17 PM]

Sugar, the big flaw I see in the postings you have made about benching Marbury is that Marbury is not in competition with Lee/Frye/Q/Curry. The only player he can be said to be in competition with is Crawford, as Crawford is the only player we have right now that can possibly play PG.

Crawford probably has been somewhat better than Marbury this season, but Marbury has been muuuuuch better throughout his career. So I think we should place our bets on what they have been doing throughout their careers. Marbury has looked like the old Marbury recently, and has been playing better than Crawford, so I think he is a better PG prospect than Crawford, who really is not a PG anyway.
oohah
Depends on what you think makes a pg. If Jcraw had the ball in his hands for 35 minutes per night do you think he could average the 5 assists per game Marbury does?
What makes you think Marbury has played better than Jcraw recently? What is recently? 1 game? 3 games? 5 games? 10 games? I bet if you looked at the stats from those periods you would be surprised. Jcraw has outproduced Marbury in the short term this season and in the long term this season.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  12:36 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by holfresh:


Are you really questioning how is Marbs more important than Lee...I would say half of Lee's points comes from assist from Marbury...

I have no doubt in my mind Lee is more important to us. Marbury only averages 5 assists per game. So you are saying 3 a game go to Lee? So that means he only averages 2 asists per game to the rest of the team? Thats our ball distributor?

Yes I will take

Lees 11ppg-10.5rpg in 30 minutes on 63% shooting
over
Marbs 13ppg-5.2apg in 35 minutes on 40% shooting

By the way you did not answer my question. I asked you how many games has Marbury played well out of 32 games this year. I even provided his game log for you


[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-30-2006 12:17 PM]

Well I prefer to rely on data since Marbury has been in this league rather than your 30 game sample...Marbury playing at the level he has shown over the last five game makes him one of the better players in this league...Not starting him on one of the worst teams in the league is just plain idiocy...He has played at a higher level this year than any player on the Knicks...No other player has shown to be able to run the Knicks offense the way Marbury has...I can't beleive I'm arguing Marbs vs. David lee...
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12/30/2006  12:40 PM
Sugar I have looked at their game logs. Marbury has been better recently and Crawford has produced nicely as well. But Crawford is a shooting guard. That is his style of play.

More importantly, I, as you, have watched the games. Marbury has been very effective around the last 6 games and it has made the game easier for the whole team.

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[Edited by - oohah on 30-12-2006 12:42 PM]
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12/30/2006  12:47 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by holfresh:


Are you really questioning how is Marbs more important than Lee...I would say half of Lee's points comes from assist from Marbury...

I have no doubt in my mind Lee is more important to us. Marbury only averages 5 assists per game. So you are saying 3 a game go to Lee? So that means he only averages 2 asists per game to the rest of the team? Thats our ball distributor?

Yes I will take

Lees 11ppg-10.5rpg in 30 minutes on 63% shooting
over
Marbs 13ppg-5.2apg in 35 minutes on 40% shooting

By the way you did not answer my question. I asked you how many games has Marbury played well out of 32 games this year. I even provided his game log for you


[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-30-2006 12:17 PM]

Well I prefer to rely on data since Marbury has been in this league rather than your 30 game sample...Marbury playing at the level he has shown over the last five game makes him one of the better players in this league...Not starting him on one of the worst teams in the league is just plain idiocy...He has played at a higher level this year than any player on the Knicks...No other player has shown to be able to run the Knicks offense the way Marbury has...I can't beleive I'm arguing Marbs vs. David lee...

If we are going by the past we might as well start H20 or Francis. Does 9 losing years in 11 years in the past mean anything?

To say Marbury has played at a higher level than every other knick this year is ridiculous in my mind.

So you say 32 games is too small a sample so you wnat to make it 5 games. Ok lets look at your cherry picked 5 games.

14pts on 29% shooting with 4 assists
41pts on 56% shooting with 8 assists
5pts on 28% shooting with 5 assists
19pts on 33% shooting with 8 assists
10pts on 16% shooting with 9 assists

Is that the great player who is playing better than Jcraw and Lee?

Sorry I just do not see it. In fact even in your cherry picked last 5 games Jcraw has been much better.

21pts on 45% shooting with 1 assist
29pts on 53% shooting with 11 assists
21pts on 39%shooting with 6 assists
30pts on 50% shooting with 4 assists
25pts on 39% shooting with 9 assists
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  12:55 PM

It's not cherry picking..Marbs is showing now that he is playing at the level that produced 20 and 8 for 10 years...Simply that is better than any other Knick has done in their professional careers period...
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12/30/2006  2:11 PM
Posted by holfresh:


It's not cherry picking..Marbs is showing now that he is playing at the level that produced 20 and 8 for 10 years...Simply that is better than any other Knick has done in their professional careers period...

With all due respect,
When you tell me to only look at the last 5 games out of a 32 game season you dont think that sounds like cherry picking? Besides did you see the stats I posted from his last 5 games. They are not good and not better than Jcraw's.

Also when you bring up his past career averages his last good season was 3 years ago. Last year was not good and neither is this year. Things change. I'm not as fast or good as I was 3 years ago either. Would guys like Nash and Parker have their way with Marbury 3-4 years ago like they do today?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  2:17 PM
Sugar, one last important thing you've forgotten: Marbury is going to start so we might as well not even debate it.

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12/30/2006  2:20 PM
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Sugar, one last important thing you've forgotten: Marbury is going to start so we might as well not even debate it.

oohah

LOL you have a point but thats a sad way to run a team. I think we should be starting our best 5 platyers based on production every game. That includes Lee as well

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  3:26 PM

If you ask me I think the starting five should be:

Curry
Frye
Q
JCraw
Marbs

Q is the best option at the three defensively and offensively...He stretchs the defense, plays good perimeter D and rebounds better than anyone except Lee at the position...Lee has problems guarding other threes and is often reluctant to run out to the perimeter to guard shooters...What's seem to be a plus with his rebounding also is a liability as his first instinct is to rebound and not to defend...Note the Pistons game where he drop off Delfino when he thought Prince would shoot... He needs major minutes tough..I would like to see Lee Curry and Fyre rotate...Frye playing Center when Curry is out...
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12/30/2006  3:32 PM
Yes Lee does leave shooters open sometimes to camp under the rim for boards. I saw that last year as well but its something I can live with while he learns. No player we have is peerfect. They all have flaws. The trick is to maximize the positive.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  4:25 PM
Start the best 5 and play the best 6 heavy mins. Everyone else should get mins to give those 6 rest and in highly favorable matchups.

As of right now. Curry, Frye, Lee, Crawford, Marbury, Jefferies. Francis, Balkman, Cato to give rest.

When Q & Nate come back. Curry, Lee, Q, Crawford, Marbury, Frye. Jefferies, Nate, Balkman, Cato.
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