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MS
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12/27/2006  3:45 PM
Yes its been the knicks fault over the years, instead of renting a player for the same production they lock anderson into a deal, trade for eisely, sign jerome james.....

Your brain dead if you give a player coming off a 5pts 4rb season a five year deal for the midlevel, especially one that is not professional
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12/27/2006  4:25 PM
Posted by MS:

Yes its been the knicks fault over the years, instead of renting a player for the same production they lock anderson into a deal, trade for eisely, sign jerome james.....

Your brain dead if you give a player coming off a 5pts 4rb season a five year deal for the midlevel, especially one that is not professional

Why have you removed Kelvin Cato from the equation? If you want to look at it from the vacuum of the JJ trade, maybe you are right. But you had already introduced Cato as well. If IT is brain dead for signing JJ to a 5 million deal, then getting a better player at the same position for 1 million would have to show some positive mental activity, no?

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12/27/2006  5:03 PM
Signing one scrub to a sensible one year minumum contract doesn't absolve you for signing an even bigger scrub to an uncomprehensible multi-year deal.
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MS
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12/27/2006  5:07 PM
Not really, it shows a lack of vision on his part to commit to someone that every single fan and baskteball mind new was terrible.....

Butler was a good play, woods was a good play low risk guys that can make a contribution without getting screwed in the salary cap.....

GMS should not have the luxury of buying out three players and then forcing one to retire.......This roster would have Taylor, Rose, Anderson, JYD on it if the Knicks didn't have the deepest pockets out there....

He traps himself into players, i mean what was Francis bringing that crawford was not, but he decided to move an asset for three years at 15per for no reason, he is not an intelligent person and has literally cost this franchise 200 million with his mistakes in three years, its amazing
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12/27/2006  5:23 PM
Is this about spending Dolan's money or getting better?
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MS
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12/27/2006  5:26 PM
Does being locked into Steve Francis and Jerome James two players that aren't going to help this team win, make us better in the long term, or having a sf that may have to play with a bad back for the rest of the career make us better I love Q, but short sighted deals can backfire and set the team back a ways
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12/27/2006  5:34 PM
MS, calling the Q Rich & 1st round pick for KT trade short sighted is kinda contradictory, wouldn't you say? if anything it was a move for the future & for the longterm... yes, Q had back issues, but KT was on the decline & just signed to an extension... if he were still here, we likely don't even get to see D Lee in a Knicks uniform, much less have him get any significant playing time over the past 2 seasons... i don't see how anyone can kill Isiah for that move.
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12/27/2006  5:38 PM
I feel very badly for most of the people who have already responded to this thread. The vast majority fail to see the forest, because all they see are individual trees. They should be spending more time focusing on the outlook for the overall team, not looking for flaws in individual players. Start by looking at the team's morale. Look how much harder the team plays defense, and works on rebounding. This team has made signficant progress as a group because Isiah has gone out of his way to defend his players and build them up, instead of following Larry's practice of tearing everyone down. Isiah now has a gritty group of players with the heart to win games in overtime. Larry failed in building team character and morale as far as I could see.

Concerning individuals, People who are unable to appreciate the dramatic progress Eddie Curry has made, and David Lee have made, are simply not paying attention. Those that say David Lee does not owe his progress to Isiah, are forgetting who drafted David Lee number 30 last year. No one seems to mention Marbury's progress this year. But lately, he seems to be starting to get back to where he is a positive contributor to the team, instead of a distraction, and that has required huge progress imo. Also think about the fact that in order for Isiah to make progress with Curry, he first had to make progress with the rest of the team and make sure they would go out of their way as a group to keep finding ways to get Curry the ball down low.

I look at the Knicks this year and thinking they have just begun to emerge as a respectable team in the eastern conference. That event is, imo, directly related to Isiah's efforts. Those who go into detail about who they like and how they don't like are looking at random details, not what really matters. Beginning in January, the Knicks are likely to cease being the "laughing stock" of the NBA. Those that are unable to detect that until after the wins occur, have no clue what they are watching imo.
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12/27/2006  5:52 PM
Posted by rvwink:

I feel very badly for most of the people who have already responded to this thread. The vast majority fail to see the forest, because all they see are individual trees. They should be spending more time focusing on the outlook for the overall team, not looking for flaws in individual players. Start by looking at the team's morale. Look how much harder the team plays defense, and works on rebounding. This team has made signficant progress as a group because Isiah has gone out of his way to defend his players and build them up, instead of following Larry's practice of tearing everyone down. Isiah now has a gritty group of players with the heart to win games in overtime. Larry failed in building team character and morale as far as I could see.

Concerning individuals, People who are unable to appreciate the dramatic progress Eddie Curry has made, and David Lee have made, are simply not paying attention. Those that say David Lee does not owe his progress to Isiah, are forgetting who drafted David Lee number 30 last year. No one seems to mention Marbury's progress this year. But lately, he seems to be starting to get back to where he is a positive contributor to the team, instead of a distraction, and that has required huge progress imo. Also think about the fact that in order for Isiah to make progress with Curry, he first had to make progress with the rest of the team and make sure they would go out of their way as a group to keep finding ways to get Curry the ball down low.

I look at the Knicks this year and thinking they have just begun to emerge as a respectable team in the eastern conference. That event is, imo, directly related to Isiah's efforts. Those who go into detail about who they like and how they don't like are looking at random details, not what really matters. Beginning in January, the Knicks are likely to cease being the "laughing stock" of the NBA. Those that are unable to detect that until after the wins occur, have no clue what they are watching imo.

You're an idiot.
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12/27/2006  6:03 PM
rvwink - don't stop for a secnd to pay any attention to personal assaults

Think of posts like Islesfan as James would have summed it up,

"jus' talkin' loud

and sayin' nothin'"
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12/27/2006  6:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
I'm an idiot.
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12/27/2006  6:07 PM
rvwink - Isiah rebuilt a frontcourt whose tallest player was once 6'8 Kurt Thomas and that had 6'5 Clarence Weatherspoon at forward

the backup centers were the forgettable Travis Knight and the felt-like Felton Spencer

but none of that matters when you simply hate Isiah Thomas

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-27-2006 6:07 PM]
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12/27/2006  6:09 PM
ot: soooooo....is rvwink/rvhoss/babyknicks all the same person??
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12/27/2006  6:58 PM
It is really unbelievably sad how the fools at this thread cry about Isiah's grevious errors agasint the Knicks. Look back at what the Knicks were when he started and what they are now. Its right in front of your faces people. Can you not see amazing progress that has been made in 3 years?

Take Eddy Curry for example. Look at his last year stats and his current year's stats. Specifically look at the minutes he is playing, the points he is scoring, the increased energy he now has, and how he isn't commiting offensive fouls as often. How can you not see the amazing change that has occured? How can you fail to be impressed? This thread is filled with a bunch of cry babies. Their faces are so full of tears, that they are unable to see the new reality of the Knicks that is right in front of them. (Concerning the fellow wondering if I was someone else, no dude, I am in fact only Rvwink.)
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12/28/2006  2:36 AM
Jesus, stop making new names and take your banning like a man.
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12/28/2006  3:00 AM
what did rv get banned for anyways?
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/28/2006  7:14 AM
you giys are dopes...why don't you pick on seatsblueseats... rvwink is not me and I am not rvhoss.

you'll get it eventually.

is islesfan a moderator?
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12/28/2006  7:18 AM
Posted by simrud:

what did rv get banned for anyways?

from what I read it was because islesfan had it in for him and at the time martin was in agreement with islesfan and fishmike and rvhoss used to have some over the top discussions.

but it was islesfan that led the parade...I think everyone banned during the "rule of negativity (islesfan, uk mafia) should be unbanned.

I have to admit, they were the only positive posters at the time and now that the knicks seem to be turning it around, they won't be forced to battle islesfan's negativity and they can simply enjoy posting and sharing ideas.

either way though...I am just me baby... babyknicks!

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12/28/2006  9:13 AM
Wow, rvhoss/babyknicks can compete with Bippity/BoBo for "Mr. Split Personality of the year!"
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12/28/2006  10:01 AM
Posted by misterearl:

rvwink - Isiah rebuilt a frontcourt whose tallest player was once 6'8 Kurt Thomas and that had 6'5 Clarence Weatherspoon at forward

the backup centers were the forgettable Travis Knight and the felt-like Felton Spencer

but none of that matters when you simply hate Isiah Thomas

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-27-2006 6:07 PM]

I hate Isiah and I want him gone... but if things continue the way they've been over the last week or so, more props to him ... I'd love it for him to have this great comeback story, from whipping boy to genius ... just keep it up Zeke, you've got a ways to go ... if you make me and your haters look bad, I'll take it!
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