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BlueSeats
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12/25/2006  5:01 PM
Posted by Bobby:

this division is for zeke's picking. remember, the so call experts had knicks floating down the east river to the bottom of the atlantic.

Meanwhile we're second to the bottom, ahead of only the tanking Sixers - who we just lost to.
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12/25/2006  6:05 PM
If any of you naysayers have NBA league pass watch how the sixers play now without AI.

You will soon come to discover 76ers will rise to the top of the atlantic div, ball hogs(like AI) can disrupt what a coach wants to implement when it comes to team basketball.
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12/25/2006  6:17 PM
Posted by playa2:

If any of you naysayers have NBA league pass watch how the sixers play now without AI.

You will soon come to discover 76ers will rise to the top of the atlantic div, ball hogs(like AI) can disrupt what a coach wants to implement when it comes to team basketball.

i've said it before, but i'll say it again (only b/c i like to hear myself...err...type) - but you can kind of see the type of deal lb was looking for in acquiring francis. it looks like francis was not going to be a conduit for kmart, but for a pg like andre miller. probably something like miller + evans for francis. and one can see why isiah may not have pulled the trigger on that deal this summer considering the effects it would have on steph.
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12/25/2006  6:25 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bobby:

this division is for zeke's picking. remember, the so call experts had knicks floating down the east river to the bottom of the atlantic.

Meanwhile we're second to the bottom, ahead of only the tanking Sixers - who we just lost to.

that's about to all change...stay tune

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12/25/2006  6:29 PM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bobby:

this division is for zeke's picking. remember, the so call experts had knicks floating down the east river to the bottom of the atlantic.

Meanwhile we're second to the bottom, ahead of only the tanking Sixers - who we just lost to.

that's about to all change...stay tune


LOL! After this 5gm stint I agree
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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12/25/2006  6:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
you can kind of see the type of deal lb was looking for in acquiring francis. it looks like francis was not going to be a conduit for kmart, but for a pg like andre miller. probably something like miller + evans for francis. and one can see why isiah may not have pulled the trigger on that deal this summer considering the effects it would have on steph.

And, if true, that would have been Isiah's best trade to date.
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12/25/2006  7:30 PM
The NBA trend has changed, if you wanna play get up and down type of basketball, you need a pass 1st pg leading the way not a shoot 1st pg.

Philly has so many players now chomping at the bit to show what they can do since AI is gone.

5 guys in double figures shows the ball is getting around .


NY needs to understand when you have overpayed shoot 1st pg's like a Francis and Marbury it's addition by subtraction when you trade them away.


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12/25/2006  9:50 PM
Posted by playa2:

NY needs to understand when you have overpayed shoot 1st pg's like a Francis and Marbury it's addition by subtraction when you trade them away.

I don't think there's anything wrong with how Steph is starting to play. It's a myth that you can't win with a guard who is also one of your better offensive players. It's also a myth that you have to have a bigtime Pure PG to win. While it would be great to have that, it's not the only reason this team has problems winning. Our problems tend to be on the Defensive end. We also have points in the game where the offense isn't functioning as efficiently as it should. Mainly Zones tend to slow us down. Isiah will eventually have to bring in a pure shooter or two to help make teams pay for doubling or going into a zone.

As for right now this team has enough to win games and take over this div. It's up to them. Isiah has to do a good job running the team as well. Cuz he's got a tough job to do trying to find the right rotations and mix of players that give this team the best chance to win. I think he should keep things the same and slowly graft Jared in off the bench. He probably won't do that, but I think it would be the easiest thing to do in order to keep some of the same chemistry going.
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12/26/2006  2:03 AM
Please tell me what team with a scoring PG ever won anything.

I'll make it easy on you and take some out.

Kidd is not a scoring PG, so don't even go there.
KG could never get the Suns over the hump, and he was much more of a passer than any of our crackheads.
Magic had an all star team and was known for passing as well, so he does not count.
Jordan was not a PG, so save us some time and don't bring him up.

The ball is in your hands.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/26/2006  7:38 AM
Posted by simrud:

Please tell me what team with a scoring PG ever won anything.

I'll make it easy on you and take some out.

Kidd is not a scoring PG, so don't even go there.
KG could never get the Suns over the hump, and he was much more of a passer than any of our crackheads.
Magic had an all star team and was known for passing as well, so he does not count.
Jordan was not a PG, so save us some time and don't bring him up.

The ball is in your hands.

Oscar Robertson was a dominant scoring PG who won the Milwaukee Bucks only title with a young Lew Alcinder (Karrem Abdul-Jabbar) in the late 60's.

Walt Frazier was a scoring PG who won titles in 69" & 73".

Isaih Thomas won more than one title as a scoring PG with the Detriot Pistons. [...maybe the 2 previous mentioned PGs (Big "O" & Clyde) are old examples; but you did mention Magic Johnson, and Isaih played during his era.]

Somewhere in between those championships there are other scoring PGs who've made a difference and won big for their teams; but in each case it was not a one man show. There had to be lots of help from teammates... ...just that their scoring did not negate their run to a title.

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12/26/2006  8:54 AM
I think the trend in the NBA has changed since Clyde,The Big O, and Isiah played.

How about let's use modern day players who didn't wear the short shorts.

The rule changes has favored team basketball too, good ball movement off of penetrating pg's has open the doors for role players to step up and knock down shots.

You can't touch anyone any more.

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[Edited by - playa2 on 12-26-2006 10:36]
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12/26/2006  9:20 AM
Posted by simrud:

Please tell me what team with a scoring PG ever won anything.

I'll make it easy on you and take some out.

Kidd is not a scoring PG, so don't even go there.
KG could never get the Suns over the hump, and he was much more of a passer than any of our crackheads.
Magic had an all star team and was known for passing as well, so he does not count.
Jordan was not a PG, so save us some time and don't bring him up.

The ball is in your hands.
??????
If you brought up, would not Terry count??????

And I guess Billups is a Pass first point guard in your world instead of a scorer who learn how run an offense

Speaking of Jordan,Didn't he and Pippen run the offense and Phil didn't care who was in at point as long as they were a big guard............... we'll tell the big guard part to BJ, Kerry, Paxson, Fisher. Which of those four, Fisher is the only point guard.

And I guess Parker is a great pure point guard now as well. He is probably the best point guard right now as he has ever been which is average. The kid was getting pulled in the finals for speedy Claxton because he couldn't do anything?????THey seemed to do fine.

Seemes to me that you need somebody to run the offense. Doesn't have tobe the point.....

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12/26/2006  9:59 AM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by simrud:

Please tell me what team with a scoring PG ever won anything.

I'll make it easy on you and take some out.

Kidd is not a scoring PG, so don't even go there.
KG could never get the Suns over the hump, and he was much more of a passer than any of our crackheads.
Magic had an all star team and was known for passing as well, so he does not count.
Jordan was not a PG, so save us some time and don't bring him up.

The ball is in your hands.
??????
If you brought up, would not Terry count??????

And I guess Billups is a Pass first point guard in your world instead of a scorer who learn how run an offense

Speaking of Jordan,Didn't he and Pippen run the offense and Phil didn't care who was in at point as long as they were a big guard............... we'll tell the big guard part to BJ, Kerry, Paxson, Fisher. Which of those four, Fisher is the only point guard.

And I guess Parker is a great pure point guard now as well. He is probably the best point guard right now as he has ever been which is average. The kid was getting pulled in the finals for speedy Claxton because he couldn't do anything?????THey seemed to do fine.

Seemes to me that you need somebody to run the offense. Doesn't have tobe the point.....

You'r right Anji...Sam Cassell and Kenny Smith...score first as well...Houston Rockets '94/'95 NBA champions...and who was the Championship Heat's great distributor PG? Who was the Lakers great distributor PG?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 26-12-2006 10:27 AM]
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12/26/2006  10:26 AM
championships aside, we can definitely win the Atlantic Division with a score first PG or four. let's do it.

and if we can't get spitting distance of .500 in the process IT should take a hike.
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12/26/2006  3:53 PM
Thanks fellas for backing me up on the Scoring PG issue :) You see it's one of those things that people just assume is true, cuz it fits into their narrow views of what is right. Kind of like rebuilding from scratch is the way to a championship. The facts simply suggest that having a Pure PG isn't the end all be all.

This team simply has to learn how to win with what it has. It's more than possible, it's up to isiah to continue to develop a game plan that fits this group. He's already adjusted his offense since the start of the season as he's learned more about what his team can and can't do well. Each player is starting to figure out his role and they're learning each other in a way that only time playing together can teach. This team has to keep playing and growing. The more time they play together I believe they'll continue to jell and gain that instinctive play you see from the top teams like SA or DET. You can see it beginning to develop already.
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12/26/2006  4:56 PM
Even without a pure PG, it would benefit the team to have a gaurd who could consistently feed the post with a well-placed entry pass.
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12/26/2006  10:27 PM
Championship teams featuring total gunners are their point guards..

1979 Seattle Supersonics...no gun in the west shot like these three...Gus Williams,Dennis Johnson and Down Town Freddy Brown...Hint Down Town wasn't for his passing skills...They were the top three scorers on the team...

1989-90 Detroit Pistons...Led by Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars, the leading scorers on their team...

2005 SA Spurs...Tony Parker...Shoot first guard...

Already mentioned...Sam Cassell...

Silly argument that a shoot first guard can't win a Championship...


Now about the Knicks winning the Atlantic...The Nets do still have 3 all star caliber players to the Knicks' none...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-26-2006 10:32 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 12-26-2006 10:41 PM]
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12/26/2006  11:13 PM
Knicks DON'T have a shoot first PG anyway. Marbury's spent the whole season being too unselfish and always looking to pass.
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12/26/2006  11:23 PM
Nets lost tonight, Boston lost tonight, and Philly is down by double digits
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12/26/2006  11:35 PM
This is just the kind of thing this team has to start taking advantage of. Granted our competition is tough, but this team has to fight hard and come up with some wins against the tougher teams coming up. We usually play strong against Detroit even when we lose, so I hope we can have a really big game tomorrow and perhaps catch them a little off their game.
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