My bad Garbajosa is 29 (not 30 plus though). But Gasol and Randolph your just nitpicking; bottom line is there another young front line with comparable talent and numbers answer YES! There are plenty of other teams that have a young core of guards that have star power. We could debate this for days. I think your assertation is wrong and I think you made this statement with only New York Knicks on mind instead of putting it in the spectrum of the entire NBA. Curry I don't know about his potential level only because some of the things that he's lacking you cann't be taught. You cann't be taught how to be tough Curry is a very finesse center and I don't know if that will ever change. Playing the center position in the NBA without being a strong rebounder or shot blocker will always put you behind I don't care how many points you average. Frye to me still has the most potential under the right guidance. If Isiah just allows him to sit around the premieter and shoot jump shots he'll never realize his full potential and he could stand to also work on his rebounding. Lee is great role player but just that a role player yes the guy puts up great rebounding numbers but he still cannot guard the better players at his position nor does he have any outside game to speak of. But as long as Curry and Frye remain on the team he will at least in some regard always play 2nd fiddle to those guys.

[Edited by - bettalaylow on 12-27-2006 2:41 PM]

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I cant think of any team in the NBA that has 3 bigs age 23-24 like Curry, Frye and Lee. Their last 2 games they have dominated other teams.

Orlando - Ariza, Darko, Howard
Bucks - Bogut, Villanueva, Noel
Toronto - Graham, Bargnani, Bosch
Charlotte - Morrison, Okafor, May, Wallace
Seattle - Wilcox, Petro, Collison

I definitely like our guys so far, but the league is getting a lot younger and more athletic. We're doing well in the young big man department, but we're not pulling away from the pack.

Darko? Get real. He's softer than Charmin.

Bogut sucks

I take Lee over Bargnani every day of the week

Morrison? HA!

Petro and Wilcox? Wilcox does look like Rick James. okayfine.

Garbosa is 29. I thought he was 30 based on something I read. I was not nit picking on the others. I clearly said 24 or below since Curry turned 24 just 3 weeks ago.
The rest of your post I dont agree with but dont have the time to debate. I found it funny when you called Curry a finese center. I will take our 3 over any of the others named anyway

Garbosa just turned 29 on Dec 19 should link it?
But you were wrong because you didn't do you homework. When I first read your statement

Whats there really to debate I know it sounds arrogant but like I said you clearly did not do your homework. Most of these teams have better records than the Knicks (with the exception of Atlanta and Charlotte). Your theory was throughly debunked by the cold hard facts not by some subjective statements but by guy's numbers and team's records.
Its interesting that found the Curry statement funny because what does a center who does not rebound particularly well and does not block shots (despite being one of the biggest bodies on the floor) = finesse center.

For the record 25 26 are still considered young in professional sports.

Darko? Get real. He's softer than Charmin.

Does he really need to mix it up playing next to Dwight Howard?

Bogut sucks

Yea a guy who averages more points than Lee and Frye and also averages more rebounds than Curry and Frye sucks what does that say about our guys than? Oh and the Bucks have a better record.

I take Lee over Bargnani every day of the week

Bargani is very one-dimensional at this stage in his career but in the long run who knows what this kid can become.

1. Fine but at least know what your talking about before making statements like that

2. But that is part of measuring players in Professional Sports hate it or love it. Along with individual numbers.

3. If your going to crap on rookies 30 games into the season thats a tad unfair. Besides some guys you can look at mechanics and see what their equipped with some know have certain talents while others do not.

4. Im measuring Curry's finesse in acutal relevancy to basketball. Would any guy like to spend the evening bumping Curry probably not but that hardly supports the idea of him not being soft especially when you take in his numbers.

5. We could do that all day one game is one game put it in the perspective of a whole season. Jamal Crawford had a better game than Michael Redd is now better than him think not.

I didn't see one list that didn't name a small forward........... I would say these there biggs under 35 would be the best in the League.


Curry gives nothing horrible and rebounding and shotblocking????? LOL, it'snot even worth agruing with "you" guys.

David Lee-"Go Knicks"..............

[Edited by - anji on 12-27-2006 5:47 PM]

Posted by bettalaylow:

1. I wasn't talking about Garbosa's age thing I was talking about the general tenor of your entire statement.

2. No were getting into the subjective. Seriously after reading the names Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley, and Raef Lafrentz you lost alot of credibility. Great shot blockers not only block shots but also alter and deter movements into the paint. How many posters did everyone see of Bradley and Bol getting dunked on? Those guys were jokes Bradley was only go for a good laugh and Bol was also out there for a good laugh.
Than you mention a guy who averages 1.7 blocks his career who (btw right now doesn't even get off the bench) as a great shot blocker wow I don't even know how to respond to that. Yet you don't even mention Mutumbo or Mourning how does one even respond to this.

LOL The 3 I named are all in the top 29 of all time shot blocks per game. In fact 2 of them are in the top 10 all time. Mourning has probably been dunked on more than any player in NBA history. That comes with being a shot blocker. Raef Lafrentz is 29th all time. Bol is #2 all time and Bradley is #10 all time.

Your taking personal shots at me just shows me that your arguement is weak.

Posted by bettalaylow:

Im not taking personal shots at you I'm just questioning some of the statements your making. Seriously Manute Bol! Manute Bol! Come he is not even a serious basketball player and neither was Bradley. The fact that they are ranked in the top 29 has more to do with them being 7'6 and less to do with actual shot-blocking ability. Raef LaFrentz I don't even know where you got that one from. You were wrong about LaFrentz being 29th all-time because Gasol is 29th at 1.87 whereas LaFrentz is at 1.7 in his career. Mourning for a guy who gets dunked on a lot he still is 5th of all-time leading shot blockers. Sorry just had to look that up because I just couldn't believe it.

Tall or not, I would say it takes some skill to end up near the top of the list all time in shot blocking...no offense but saying that it doesnt count becuase theyre tall is like saying an all time leader in assists doesnt count because they had good hand eye coordination

guys guys... this is getting out of hand.

We have good young bigs... not the best ever. Its a good debate to ask if our bigs are the best in the league. They are all solid. You would probably trade all three for Dwight Howard and you would trade any two of them for Okafor or Bynum.

Lee is exactly what this team needs though, that's his real value. Why teams go gaga over him is kindof a mystery. There are other guys out there with high rebound rates that can guard a little better than him on the wing. Which means that we probably need to develop him as a 4 and look to move the Frye guy.

Frye shoots well, but if you take Frye off the floor to put Lee at the 4 and you get a good shooting 3 on the floor in return, aren't you better off? I would think a Frye for Granger and a pick would help us out a lot.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

guys guys... this is getting out of hand.

We have good young bigs... not the best ever. Its a good debate to ask if our bigs are the best in the league. They are all solid. You would probably trade all three for Dwight Howard and you would trade any two of them for Okafor or Bynum.

Lee is exactly what this team needs though, that's his real value. Why teams go gaga over him is kindof a mystery. There are other guys out there with high rebound rates that can guard a little better than him on the wing. Which means that we probably need to develop him as a 4 and look to move the Frye guy.

Frye shoots well, but if you take Frye off the floor to put Lee at the 4 and you get a good shooting 3 on the floor in return, aren't you better off? I would think a Frye for Granger and a pick would help us out a lot.

Lee is the best rebounder i have ever seen on any knick team. While I watched m y first game in 92, thats saying something. He can finish around the basket very well, and if he develops an outside shot could be great. Theres no mystery my friend

^^^^ YOu just like to argue. wHo in there right mind would say Kurt Thomas and Anthony Mason are better rebounders then Lee???? IT's not even a contest between them.

[Edited by - anji on 12-28-2006 01:56 AM]