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nixluva
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12/23/2006  12:41 PM
It's not right to try and take away credit from Steph when the team is playing well and he's obviously a part of that. Like Last years stretch of games when the team was playing better, this year its clear that when he's on his game it helps the team. Now this year unlike in the past our TEAM is also playing well Curry, Lee, Frye in particular are playing at their highest level, so far. This is all i've been saying for a LONG time. Put Steph with a solid core and this team can be VERY good. All the blame that has been heaped on Steph when he's clearly been one of the most consistently good players on this team, except for last year and the start of this year, it's just not right.

NOW we finally have a young core that can support what he does. If you notice when he 1st got here, Steph avg'd 9.3 assists, but would've avg'd more had Isiah not traded KVH and Doleac. When he has players that can finish the plays, it makes a HUGE difference. We have that now. In addition we're starting to defend better.

You don't want to see this team without Steph for a long stretch. Even tho they're playing better, he does make a difference. I much prefer the good Steph plus the other players holding up their end as well. I've been saying that for YEARS, but until now there hasn't been any way to show what a difference it can make if we got everyone playing well at the same time. Unlike last years streak, I believe this is more sustainable. Last year I felt like Steph was dragging them along, but this year the team is playing well period.
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12/23/2006  12:58 PM
we all know marbury can score, but when he defends with gusto, as Clyde would say, he seems to break the will of opposing guards, so average guards remain average and not great against us.. classic example, duhon usually has good games vs us. last night, marbury just broke his spirit, and for a perimeter team like the bulls, that hurt them. Most teams in the league are perimeter teams, so it is important that our guards defend well... they do that, and we win games...
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Rich
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12/23/2006  1:20 PM
He has stopped thinking too much.
Bonn1997
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12/23/2006  1:32 PM
Posted by Rich:

He has stopped thinking too much.

That's a great way to put it. He's just doing what he does best now rather than trying to be a Jason Kidd type of PG.
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12/23/2006  1:34 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think that might be a stretch. We won 33 games with him doing whatever he wanted and having his career best year. It helps for him to play well but it takes a team effort. If jcraw does have his big night or Frye or Lee or Curry then we dont win. Also we have won games this year with Marbury doing little or being benched.
That 33 win team was when he had an absolutely awful supporting cast. If Marbury continues to play like this (a huge if) and Isiah doesn't f' up the rotations when guys return, the team will have a very good shot at making the playoffs (and possibly finishing at .500).

KT, TT. Jcraw, Nazr wasnt a horrible cast of players.

Not one of them is even an average starter. You pair Marbury with several below average starters and a bad bench and you should be thankful to get 33 wins.

No doubt, that was a bad team, but Nazr was extremely helpful and averaged 10 rebounds a game before he got hurt, Kurt Thomas is a winning player, and Craw was showing flashes but too inconsistent, and TT sucked. That team wasn't horrible. By definition, 33 win teams are mediocre.

However, I think if Houston didn't come back for 20 games, I think we would have been a lot worse, b/c he and Nazr helped us get to 2 or 3 games above .500 that season, if you remember.
Those are okay players, sure...coming off the bench. If they're you're four starters, you're gonna be awful no matter who the fifth starter is unless it's Jordan or Shaq.

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12/23/2006  1:55 PM
Posted by Rich:

He has stopped thinking too much.

He may be more comfortable with the teams new style of play and with his role in it.

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12/23/2006  2:04 PM
Marbury deserves credit for playing very well these past few games. We bash him when we think he's doing badly, so we should praise him for doing well.

Now the question is, can he keep it up?
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12/23/2006  2:13 PM
Posted by Rich:

He has stopped thinking too much.
kinda like on his 3 second coast to coast game winning layup. There wasnt enough time to think about failure (like he usually does) and only time to react. That was the best play I've seen in the Isiah era.

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12/23/2006  2:16 PM
Marbury has always been the key to the team. Long term our bigs are the high potential future of the team, but their not at the point where they can overcome poor guard play and still be dominant.
Ira
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12/23/2006  4:02 PM
Marbury's certainly an important piece to the Knicks puzzle.nn
When he was playing badly, his poor play masked the improved front line play we had and it seemed as though we hadn't improved over last season.
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12/23/2006  4:15 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think the negative press and subsequent boos were affecting his play.

after the "magic talk" he's been playing better and so has the team.

hopefully he can keep it up and the press can start to give credit where credit is due.
He also talked with Clyde

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12/24/2006  9:48 AM
Posted by kevlofton:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think the negative press and subsequent boos were affecting his play.

after the "magic talk" he's been playing better and so has the team.

hopefully he can keep it up and the press can start to give credit where credit is due.
He also talked with Clyde

Actually Clyde said he didn't talk to him because Steph is now doing what he would have told him to do, which is to primarily get his points off penetration.

And Magic said he was gonna tell him to get his points in transition.

Guys who know the game simply want Steph to be opportunistic in his approach. Don't NOT score, but also don't waste possessions with quick jumpers when that's not his forte. Continue to set up the offense first, and play to his strengths to breakdown the defense.

That's what most people want out of most PGs.
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12/24/2006  9:52 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by kevlofton:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think the negative press and subsequent boos were affecting his play.

after the "magic talk" he's been playing better and so has the team.

hopefully he can keep it up and the press can start to give credit where credit is due.
He also talked with Clyde

Actually Clyde said he didn't talk to him because Steph is now doing what he would have told him to do, which is to primarily get his points off penetration.

And Magic said he was gonna tell him to get his points in transition.

Guys who know the game simply want Steph to be opportunistic in his approach. Don't NOT score, but also don't waste possessions with quick jumpers when that's not his forte. Continue to set up the offense first, and play to his strengths to breakdown the defense.

That's what most people want out of most PGs.

i don't understand why it's so difficult for steph. how about that seamless transition by andre miller into philly. no problems whatsoever first day on the job. but after 1 month of practice and 6 weeks of regular season, steph finally figured it out?
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12/24/2006  10:05 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
i don't understand why it's so difficult for steph. how about that seamless transition by andre miller into philly. no problems whatsoever first day on the job. but after 1 month of practice and 6 weeks of regular season, steph finally figured it out?

I thought he figured it out under Brown when he scored 31 pts in the flow of the game in Athens. I thought he figured it out last year during the winning streak. One thinks he has it figured out now, but we'll just have to see.

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12/26/2006  10:00 AM
this team goes as their defense goes
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12/26/2006  10:09 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by kevlofton:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I think the negative press and subsequent boos were affecting his play.

after the "magic talk" he's been playing better and so has the team.

hopefully he can keep it up and the press can start to give credit where credit is due.
He also talked with Clyde

Actually Clyde said he didn't talk to him because Steph is now doing what he would have told him to do, which is to primarily get his points off penetration.

And Magic said he was gonna tell him to get his points in transition.

Guys who know the game simply want Steph to be opportunistic in his approach. Don't NOT score, but also don't waste possessions with quick jumpers when that's not his forte. Continue to set up the offense first, and play to his strengths to breakdown the defense.

That's what most people want out of most PGs.

i don't understand why it's so difficult for steph. how about that seamless transition by andre miller into philly. no problems whatsoever first day on the job. but after 1 month of practice and 6 weeks of regular season, steph finally figured it out?

Maybe we should give Andre Miller and the Sixers more than one game before we deem his transition seamless.

Marbury started out great with the Knicks, averaging 20.5 points and 9.5 assists in his first half-season.

I have always liked Andre Miller and I really want him to do well because he is on my fantasy team.

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