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martin
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12/22/2006  8:23 AM
Posted by sebstar:

Didnt some people around here project Bogut to be as good, or better than, Kevin Garnett? Anyway Zeke's recent draft history hasnt received the appropriate pub.

no one said that here.
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12/22/2006  8:46 AM
I was really pulling for Warrick to land on our lap....but I'm prett y pleased with what I.Thomas did with this draft.

Top Ten players in the draft (with the exception of Webster) are playing some really good Basketball.
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12/22/2006  9:30 AM
Isiah really wanted Deron Williams that was his guy he just didn't have the assets to move up, Isiah had the best pick in that draft with Lee, but not really sure about the ohter selections in the long term, for building a winner
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12/22/2006  9:39 AM
Posted by MS:

Isiah really wanted Deron Williams that was his guy he just didn't have the assets to move up, Isiah had the best pick in that draft with Lee, but not really sure about the ohter selections in the long term, for building a winner

for me, Frye and Nate are still OK. Nate as a sixth man energizer and with Frye off the bench leading the second unit. Are either starters for a playoff team going deep into the rounds? No. Can either play vital roles off the bench in that same scenario? Yes. Can either be traded with another player (Franbury) for a legit starter for a contending team? Yes.
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12/22/2006  10:11 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by MS:

Isiah really wanted Deron Williams that was his guy he just didn't have the assets to move up, Isiah had the best pick in that draft with Lee, but not really sure about the ohter selections in the long term, for building a winner

for me, Frye and Nate are still OK. Nate as a sixth man energizer and with Frye off the bench leading the second unit. Are either starters for a playoff team going deep into the rounds? No. Can either play vital roles off the bench in that same scenario? Yes. Can either be traded with another player (Franbury) for a legit starter for a contending team? Yes.

And that's exactly WHAT I THINK is going to happen....only It's Francis that's going away
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12/22/2006  10:49 AM
knowing what you know now, would you trade Frye, Nate & D Lee for Chris Paul? (just for argument's sake)
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12/22/2006  11:18 AM
Posted by TMS:

knowing what you know now, would you trade Frye, Nate & D Lee for Chris Paul? (just for argument's sake)
yes

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12/22/2006  11:20 AM
^^^ thats just how highly I think of CP. Its not a knock on our 3 guys.
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12/22/2006  11:21 AM
Posted by TMS:

knowing what you know now, would you trade Frye, Nate & D Lee for Chris Paul? (just for argument's sake)

Paul, Marbury, Francis, Craw on the same team... NO. We would suck even worse because our front court would be terrible. I like Paul a lot, but this is the wrong team to consider trading any bigs for guards.
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12/22/2006  11:25 AM
Of course we would be bringing in francis at the deadline if we had paul, yes i would do that deal in a second.....

I would also get rid of crawford right away for expiring contracts.....

Paul is going to play all night, fill up the stat sheet, he is a leader and an superstar going to be one of the best pgs of the generation
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12/22/2006  11:26 AM
And I am willing to bet Marbury and the #7 pick would have got the deal done during the summer, before larry was coaching.....
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12/22/2006  11:27 AM
And to think...it was loudly booed when IT took Lee with the 30th pick in that draft.
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12/22/2006  11:34 AM
Posted by mrbean259:

And to think...it was loudly booed when IT took Lee with the 30th pick in that draft.
I dont remember that at all... mostly people were like who's David Lee?

The guy I wanted was Blatche.

I think most on this board were very openminded when it came to Lee and Nate.

Frye got a lot more criticism.

I wanted to see us get Ike Diogu, Gerald Green, Bynum or Granger.

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12/22/2006  11:35 AM
Bynum, Ellis and Lee if thats the draft Isiah had I would believe the championship talk...........I guess its up in the air between ellis and lee for the steal of the draft
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12/22/2006  11:40 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:

Didnt some people around here project Bogut to be as good, or better than, Kevin Garnett? Anyway Zeke's recent draft history hasnt received the appropriate pub.

no one said that here.

eh...you might want to reconsider that. I am pretty sure that comment was another Briggs classic which people started to run away with. It was either Garnett, Wilt, John Elway, Babe Ruth or some obscene comparison. No big...I know I'm not going to search for it.

Just good to see that such a late pick is being compared favorably to a number 1 based on actual NBA performance.
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12/22/2006  11:48 AM
i wanted Gerald Greene over Frye... always said it would take a few years to see who the better basketball player ended up to be, so the jury's still out on that one imo.
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12/22/2006  11:49 AM
Posted by fishmike:

^^^ thats just how highly I think of CP. Its not a knock on our 3 guys.


i have to agree w/u fish... CP is the ideal PG in my eyes... he's good at everything a PG needs to be good at... players like him don't come along very often... i love D Lee & he's my favorite Knick, but i think it would be easier to replace his rebounding than it would be to find a PG like CP... & i'm not married to Frye or Nate whatsoever.
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12/22/2006  1:10 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by mrbean259:

And to think...it was loudly booed when IT took Lee with the 30th pick in that draft.
I dont remember that at all... mostly people were like who's David Lee?

The guy I wanted was Blatche.

I think most on this board were very openminded when it came to Lee and Nate.

Frye got a lot more criticism.

I wanted to see us get Ike Diogu, Gerald Green, Bynum or Granger.
I remember a lot of criticism of that pick. Many thought it was absurd that we gave up Nazr just to get this clown at #30.

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12/22/2006  1:13 PM
Posted by Ray15:

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. David Lee
4. Villanueva
5. Felton
6. Granger

Guys like Marvin Williams, Gerald Green, and Bynum all have superstar potential but nobody can argue we got a huge steal at #30. To tell you the truth, to this point, we probably got 3 of the top 12 guys in that draft but doesn't seem like that great of a class.

Looks about right. People were killing me a few months ago when I posted a thread saying that Lee would have been a mid to late lottery pick.
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12/22/2006  1:19 PM
bonn.. thats two different things. One is not liking that trade. Another is not liking that pick.

I think that trade sucked. Look around the league... most teams run a super tight book. If your willing to offer $3mm in cash to teams to buy late first rounders (20-30) you can probably get 2-3 extra picks every year. Usually those late first rounders are traded for a lot less, especially if a guy that team liked gets plucked off the board.

Lee being a very good player has no impact on that trade being bad.

My arguements have been we didnt need to add Malik and Jalen Rose and spend the extra $50-$60mm in payroll so we could draft Lee, Balkman and Mardy Collins.

Think about that.
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