Why would you react to the Mardy foul in anger, if it "wasn't that bad a foul". This is what some are saying and this is what I'm disagreeing with. Everyone say's the foul was okay and that he shouldn't receive gruff yet they say they would reacat and get in his face if he did it to them.

I'm not calling you out, so don't say I'm labelling you. I'm generalizing about he group of people that are doing what I'm saying above. They are liars.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-22-2006 12:00 PM]

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by TheGame:

To me, it has little to do with IT. If a guy is going to do reverse dunks on you with his team up 19 point with 2 minutes to go, you are not going to let him do another one. JR was just about to go for another dunk and Mardy put a stop to it without hurting him. That is EXACTLY what I would want my player to do.

When the Knicks take as much pride in the other 46.5 minutes of the game I might be right there with you.

Like Hubie said, there are going to be games when you are going to get blown out. That happens to every team, but most opposing player have enough sense to not try and show you up on your own home court. Most players would know not to do reverse dunks when you are up 19 points with 2 minutes to go. They would either make a simple score or pull back and run out the clock. If you want to do reverse slams, then IMO you are asking for it. If I were on the court, I would not let someone get away with that and Mardy saw it the same way. Mardy's foul was hard but it was by no means the hardest or most dangerous foul I have seen. I have no problem with what Mardy did and if JR is mad that is his right but so what. Don't do reverse slams on our court with 2 minutes left and you being up by 19 and you don't have to worry about getting a hard foul.

Posted by TMS:

i never saw Mardy make contact w/JR's head... not sure what Hubie saw.

then that must be JR's foot that grows out of his neck.

If we were up 20 pts and Nate tossed one off the backboard and reverse dunked it, noone on this site would be chiding Isiah for running up the score. They would be talking about how great a dunk it was. How great we played to be up 20. This is such nonsense.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by Bippity10:

If we were up 20 pts and Nate tossed one off the backboard and reverse dunked it, noone on this site would be chiding Isiah for running up the score. They would be talking about how great a dunk it was. How great we played to be up 20. This is such nonsense.

Yeah, we might be saying that, but the opposing team and their fans would be saying that it was an insulting play and Nate would probably be knocked to the ground, just like J.R. Smith, if he tried to do another dunk.

So in other words you are admitting the hypocrisy and saying that I am correct in my point. Thank you.

In terms of hard fouls, it was nothing exceptional. He got him in the shoulder and ran his hands over his head like a headlock but let go instantaneously. It wasn't like the hard foul Jason Collins gave to TT in the playoffs where no Knick did anything. At least the Nuggets came to JR Smith's defense.

Posted by Bippity10:

If we were up 20 pts and Nate tossed one off the backboard and reverse dunked it, noone on this site would be chiding Isiah for running up the score. They would be talking about how great a dunk it was. How great we played to be up 20. This is such nonsense.

BS. No way would I condone Nate bouncing the ball to himself on a break a way regardless of score. Stuff like that should be left for the And 1 tour on dunk contest.

It was a hard foul. Nothing more nothing less. We've seen way worse as knick fans (Starks clotheslined Pippen going to the basket, remember that one?) That play was bush-league. Mardy Didn't hit him in the head. Mardy actually held him up and kept him from falling. If you notice, right after the play, the ref grabbed Mardy who was calm. Nate was the one who overreacted. If not for Nate, JR would have said a few words to Mardy then went to foul line to shoot his freethrows.

We are trying so hard to pretend we are tough that we are okaying a play that was dirty. I guess i'm just different. IF some guy is schooling me, I don't resort to tackling the guy. I just try to pin his next shot. To me, that's sending a message that you aren't going to do that to me anymore. And if I foul you in the process it tells you it's going to get tougher for you from here on out. Tackling a guy because he's killing you sends a different message. It doesn't mean it's going to get more difficult for you. It means I've given up and the only way I have to stop you is to resort to grabbing you as you fly by me.

Posted by BlueSeats:

maybe the whole notion of not running up the score needs to change, or of surrendering.

In track, if a runner blows away the rest of the field he's still expected to compete against himself and the clock. If a boxer dominates a fight he's still expected to knock the guy out.

If the NBA really doesn't want guys competing till the end maybe they need to offer the coaches white towels, like they do in boxing. let isiah throw in a white towel to keep his team from getting knocked-out instead of allowing him to cause harm to the other team even in defeat.

If the white towel is still on the bench everything is fair game. if you surrender you throw the towel on the court and everyone goes home healthy.

The white-towel notion is a bit extreme don't you think? I'm guessing your being sarcastic. The perverbial white-towel in basketball is when the coaches empty the bench and put the scrubs in. I remember last yr at the garden when the Spurs were dominating us, Popovich put his scrubs in way before the 2 minute mark because he didn't want to show up his buddy-Brown.

I'm not here to argue whether or not Karl should have emptied his bench or not, I could care less, but it was pretty obvious to anyone watching or playing in that game, that is was over at that point.