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Solace
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12/21/2006  8:10 AM
Same thing with Frye, as always. Take the highest value you can get for him and run with it (unless there's just nothing reasonable out there). If we could get Odom in a Frye deal that would ideal. Don't know if it's really possible, though.
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12/21/2006  8:17 AM
I still like Channing, but he had about 5 rebounds in like 50 minutes. Last night he was essentially Kurt Thomas but without the defense and rebounding. That jumper is awesome, but with Curry here he's not going to get touches in the post. So we have a jumpshooting bigman who's a below average defender and rebounder.

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I'm not really looking to trade anyone right now. Its not the right time.
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12/21/2006  9:28 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isiah invested too much in Curry to trade him but now would be the perfect time to trade him and get someone who's a better fit (and keep Frye instead). You might be able to get Dalembert and a #1--Philly just got two of them.

I'd agree that we should trade him since his value is high, but I'd rather wait until the Summer when teams are going to want to start rebuilding. Plus, I'm not so high on Dalembert anymore.
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12/21/2006  9:31 AM
Kurt thomas D wasn't that good..........

BUt I would say to the thread maker: Yes the stupid Frye trade suggestion shoud stop, but you don't want to trade a payer because they play good or bad. I know the knicks have been trading players for playing badly for years, but that's not why most trades happen. If trading can help the team, then hell yeah he should be traded. IT's not about him playing bad to start the season, it's about CUrry and Lee playing great.

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12/21/2006  9:39 AM
You never trade D Lee, ever, he is one of the best rebounders in the entire game does the little things to win, doesn;t need the ball and will get you 10pts every time he is out there.

Fyre can do whate? Score.....he needs a lot of shots to do so, he is good shotblocker, but that is where it ends, he has a tough time finishing in traffic, can't beat you off the dribble which lee can do, its not a finisher around the basket, and i don't care what anyone says he is soft......

Lee is a gift that few teams ever get, no reason to ever trade the guy......In one season his jumper is improved, his free throws shooting improved, he first step is quicker and he added some muscle.....

What about Channing is improved this year besides his body, which i commend him for but it seems to be hurting his quickness on the court
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12/21/2006  9:53 AM
i've been proposing trades of Frye & Nate for Josh Smith, & i still do that trade, last night's game notwithstanding.

good to see him shooting like he was early in his rookie season again... he looks much lighter on his feet too... maybe he lost a little of that extra bulk when he was out w/the injury... that seemed to slow him down.
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12/21/2006  9:56 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isiah invested too much in Curry to trade him but now would be the perfect time to trade him and get someone who's a better fit (and keep Frye instead). You might be able to get Dalembert and a #1--Philly just got two of them.

Bonn, Dalembert is GROSSLY overpaid for what he brings to the table, & Philly wouldn't give up their #1 pick when Oden could possibly be coming out in the draft for anyone short of Dwight Howard or Lebron James... the other Philly picks are in the late 20's... Dalembert & a late 20's pick for Curry is a horrible trade for the Knicks.
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12/21/2006  10:13 AM
I agree. Dalembert is grossly overpaid and has no offensive skills and Philly is not giving up their #1 (which is likely a top-3 pick) for Curry with Oden out there. We just need to continue to raise the value of our young players and wait until a trade comes along that is really going to get this team to the next level. Really, I like the players we have and really only want to get rid of Francis and JJ1. We should be able to trade Francis this summer. He will only have two more years on his contract and he can still play. JJ1 needs to be Hardawayed and we need to sign Cato to a 2 year deal at $1 mill or so a year.
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12/21/2006  10:30 AM
agreed TG... i'd be open to trading Frye & Nate for the right deal as well (for a young player w/big upside), but Turd & Francis definitely have no role on this team & need to go... don't know if Francis will be tradeable this summer unless he can come back this season & be effective though... otherwise we might be stuck w/his contract for another year at least... if Dolan doesn't want to use big expiring contracts to add anymore longterm salary, then Francis might never be traded at all & end up being bought out a-la Jalen Rose.
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12/21/2006  11:27 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isiah invested too much in Curry to trade him but now would be the perfect time to trade him and get someone who's a better fit (and keep Frye instead). You might be able to get Dalembert and a #1--Philly just got two of them.

I'd agree that we should trade him since his value is high, but I'd rather wait until the Summer when teams are going to want to start rebuilding. Plus, I'm not so high on Dalembert anymore.
I hear you, but I DON'T TRUST Eddy to keep his stats at even 18/7 by then. He might keep them there, but he could easily have several 10 pt, 3 or 4 rebound games and plummet back to 14/6 by the end of the season. He's having a 20+ and 9 month. I'd just jump on the fact that he has some trade value right now.

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12/21/2006  11:30 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isiah invested too much in Curry to trade him but now would be the perfect time to trade him and get someone who's a better fit (and keep Frye instead). You might be able to get Dalembert and a #1--Philly just got two of them.

I'd agree that we should trade him since his value is high, but I'd rather wait until the Summer when teams are going to want to start rebuilding. Plus, I'm not so high on Dalembert anymore.
Also, it's not that I'm high on Dalembert. He's a flawed player, but so is Eddy. We're not getting a flawless player in return for Eddy. You're at least getting an interior, shot-blocking presence in Dalembert (and a draft pick) in that trade. I think defense is so much more important for a C than offense (especially if you have a PF like Frye who can score.) You can get offense from any position easily. But you must have a PF or C who can be a presence on D.

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12/21/2006  11:57 AM
Curry is worth a top 3 lottery pick at the very least for what he's shown this season... to give him up for Dalembert, who isn't producing anything close to equal value for the money he's making, & a late 20's pick is horrible any way you want to slice it.
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12/21/2006  12:19 PM
Posted by TMS:

Curry is worth a top 3 lottery pick at the very least

you mean like what we gave up to get him?
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12/21/2006  12:21 PM
Bottom line... when Steph is running the offense Frye is open to hit those jumpers just like Houston was and Kurt was. Its a much more plodding boring team, but it works. Steph is a pick and roll guard and is 100% more effective when he's doing that.
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12/21/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by TMS:

Curry is worth a top 3 lottery pick at the very least

you mean like what we gave up to get him?


that's exactly what i mean... i think the trade was pretty even at this point... if the Knicks end up losing out on Oden over it, then it obviously changes things.
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12/21/2006  12:36 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Bottom line... when Steph is running the offense Frye is open to hit those jumpers just like Houston was and Kurt was. Its a much more plodding boring team, but it works. Steph is a pick and roll guard and is 100% more effective when he's doing that.


i prefer the high energy team when Jamal is running the point personally.
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