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holfresh
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12/19/2006  12:03 PM
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...
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12/19/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


So u not willing to call it a "IQ play" would you be willing to simply call it "A great pass" or only "a good pass".... or are u not willing to give Lee any credit at all?
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12/19/2006  12:22 PM

It's a great pass...What are you are you talking about....This is a teenage argument....

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=18930&page=11

Please go there and note me saying Lee had a monster game...
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12/19/2006  12:25 PM
hey man u just making it sound like people are giving him too much credit... weather its an "IQ" play or an "instinct" play or whatever it was... it was a GREAT play..... Glad u agree. Sorry if i tried to make u look like a Lee hater lol but im just overprotective of the great white hype.. he needs to get his props
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12/19/2006  12:28 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


Holfresh, I think it was a high IQ pass, he didn't just hit Marbury, he led him well. He saw the court and placed the ball perfectly for Marbury. It was the right pass executed perfectly for that situation. Lee had another nice pass right through the lane that resulted in a point blank shot. He is a good passer.

I think I know what you are getting at with rejecting the High-IQ of Lee vs. the rest of the guys, if you know what I am saying, correct me if I am heading in the wrong direction. But I think Lee is a smart player, High-IQ, whatever you want to call it. So is Frye, Q is too. Balkman has a nice IQ for a rookie.

The other guys not so much.

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[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 12:29 PM]
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12/19/2006  12:32 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


Holfresh, I think it was a high IQ pass, he didn't just hit Marbury, he led him well. He saw the court and placed the ball perfectly for Marbury. It was the right pass executed perfectly for that situation. Lee had another nice pass right through the lane that resulted in a point blank shot. He is a good passer.

I think I know what you are getting at with rejecting the High-IQ of Lee vs. the rest of the guys, if you know what I am saying, correct me if I am heading in the wrong direction. But I think Lee is a smart player, High-IQ, whatever you want to call it. So is Frye, Q is too. Balkman has a nice IQ for a rookie.

The other guys not so much.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 12:29 PM]

Ok...Was there another play for Lee to make in that situation?..
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12/19/2006  12:36 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


Holfresh, I think it was a high IQ pass, he didn't just hit Marbury, he led him well. He saw the court and placed the ball perfectly for Marbury. It was the right pass executed perfectly for that situation. Lee had another nice pass right through the lane that resulted in a point blank shot. He is a good passer.

I think I know what you are getting at with rejecting the High-IQ of Lee vs. the rest of the guys, if you know what I am saying, correct me if I am heading in the wrong direction. But I think Lee is a smart player, High-IQ, whatever you want to call it. So is Frye, Q is too. Balkman has a nice IQ for a rookie.

The other guys not so much.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 12:29 PM]

Ok...Was there another play for Lee to make in that situation?..


Call a time out, pass to someone else..
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12/19/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

You can thank David Lee's basketball IQ for that win.

you must of forgot to thank Marbury as well. They both made the eye contact, Steph realized they were all in the backcourt and he could possibly steal one.
He also made the layup, lee made a great pass, steph made a great play.

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12/19/2006  12:44 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Elite:

^--- actually Okur was out of possition if he would have contested the shot he would have definately fouled Steph... So its a tough call... Boozer is the one who should have made more of an effort trailing the play

Maybe Okur would have fouled Marbury, but Marbury was missing his foul shots. No matter what, you have to contest that shot, you just have to. Nobody in the NBA is going to miss that shot, not even Charlie Ward. It was Marburys easiest shot of the day.

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[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 10:47 AM]

Patrick Ewing missed that shot, 1995 Playoffs vs Pacers
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12/19/2006  12:45 PM

In my humble opinion, it was more a heads up play for Marbury to release up court to give Lee the option of making that pass...But no one here will ever say it was a great IQ play by Marbury to not stand there waiting for the timeout to be called...
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12/19/2006  12:47 PM

Let's not forget Marbury initiated and finished the play....But Lee gets the credit in this forum....
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12/19/2006  12:48 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Yep not 1 excuse he just man'd up like a real soldier would. We'll never hear anything of the sort from the coach or players of this them that's for sure.

so our guy, hits a game winner, and rather than say great play, good heads up by Lee and Marbury and good no timeout by IT. We analyze the other teams mistake, who stepped up to take the blame why they loss and then turn it to something negative for the knicks.

Me, I could care less who blew the defensive assignment, I'm glad we caught them sleeping. It was a win we needed against a good team, a mental shot steph needed for confidence, and something the home crowd needed to experience.

So what, if Derek Fisher mans up after the fact. This is what is going on in the papers as well, minimize the good, over highlight the bad.

Just realized that we didnt have any timeouts, so omit IT and more props to the players for knowing that. Some would have called it and we would have a got a T

[Edited by - Michael6835 on 12-19-2006 12:53 PM]
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12/19/2006  1:02 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Let's not forget Marbury initiated and finished the play....But Lee gets the credit in this forum....

I personally give Marbury just as much credit as Lee, they both played equally good last night IMO
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12/19/2006  1:03 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


Holfresh, I think it was a high IQ pass, he didn't just hit Marbury, he led him well. He saw the court and placed the ball perfectly for Marbury. It was the right pass executed perfectly for that situation. Lee had another nice pass right through the lane that resulted in a point blank shot. He is a good passer.

I think I know what you are getting at with rejecting the High-IQ of Lee vs. the rest of the guys, if you know what I am saying, correct me if I am heading in the wrong direction. But I think Lee is a smart player, High-IQ, whatever you want to call it. So is Frye, Q is too. Balkman has a nice IQ for a rookie.

The other guys not so much.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 12:29 PM]

Don't get me wrong at all...I do think Lee is an intelligent player that made a great play..But I thought Marbury made the bigger play releasing up court before Lee made the pass...But here, it will always go down as Lee making the IQ play...
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12/19/2006  1:06 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

[So what, if Derek Fisher mans up after the fact. This is what is going on in the papers as well, minimize the good, over highlight the bad.

Im not minimizing the good.. and im not highlighting the bad - im just stating the facts. Lee+Marbury were AWESOME.. Kate was great, frye was solid. We played awesome for 3 quarters. But one game isnt everything, I'm looking at the whole picture here - Accountability is huge for a team, I think its something we should learn from. If i was a coach i would stress ACCOUNTABILITY. Too many times we see our players giving blame to others when we fail, Steph yelled at Lee AGAIN tonight for not "coming to the ball" when he obviously threw a bad pass. Weather we won tonight or not, we're gunna loose again and i just think accountability is very important trait to build in a WINNING team. When you loose - take it like a man. Fisher did this, we should look at it and learn from it for the future.
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12/19/2006  1:07 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


Holfresh, I think it was a high IQ pass, he didn't just hit Marbury, he led him well. He saw the court and placed the ball perfectly for Marbury. It was the right pass executed perfectly for that situation. Lee had another nice pass right through the lane that resulted in a point blank shot. He is a good passer.

I think I know what you are getting at with rejecting the High-IQ of Lee vs. the rest of the guys, if you know what I am saying, correct me if I am heading in the wrong direction. But I think Lee is a smart player, High-IQ, whatever you want to call it. So is Frye, Q is too. Balkman has a nice IQ for a rookie.

The other guys not so much.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 12:29 PM]

Don't get me wrong at all...I do think Lee is an intelligent player that made a great play..But I thought Marbury made the bigger play releasing up court before Lee made the pass...But here, it will always go down as Lee making the IQ play...


I think they both deserve credit
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12/19/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


Holfresh, I think it was a high IQ pass, he didn't just hit Marbury, he led him well. He saw the court and placed the ball perfectly for Marbury. It was the right pass executed perfectly for that situation. Lee had another nice pass right through the lane that resulted in a point blank shot. He is a good passer.

I think I know what you are getting at with rejecting the High-IQ of Lee vs. the rest of the guys, if you know what I am saying, correct me if I am heading in the wrong direction. But I think Lee is a smart player, High-IQ, whatever you want to call it. So is Frye, Q is too. Balkman has a nice IQ for a rookie.

The other guys not so much.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 12:29 PM]

Don't get me wrong at all...I do think Lee is an intelligent player that made a great play..But I thought Marbury made the bigger play releasing up court before Lee made the pass...But here, it will always go down as Lee making the IQ play...


I think they both deserve credit


Agreed. This is one of the silliest threads I've seen on here in quite some time.

Not that I mind. It's all good.
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12/19/2006  1:29 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by King1:

Holfresh most people would have panicked and called a timeout.

To anoint this as a IQ play is a bit much...Marbs couldn't be missed running up court..If he called a time out then it would have been a major bonehead play...He made the right play....Anyone on that team could have called timeout, they didn't...It's the way Isiah and Larry for that matter has been running the team...Try to catch the defense off balance to score the easy basket...Larry preach that all last year and Zeke this year as well...


Holfresh, I think it was a high IQ pass, he didn't just hit Marbury, he led him well. He saw the court and placed the ball perfectly for Marbury. It was the right pass executed perfectly for that situation. Lee had another nice pass right through the lane that resulted in a point blank shot. He is a good passer.

I think I know what you are getting at with rejecting the High-IQ of Lee vs. the rest of the guys, if you know what I am saying, correct me if I am heading in the wrong direction. But I think Lee is a smart player, High-IQ, whatever you want to call it. So is Frye, Q is too. Balkman has a nice IQ for a rookie.

The other guys not so much.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-12-2006 12:29 PM]

Don't get me wrong at all...I do think Lee is an intelligent player that made a great play..But I thought Marbury made the bigger play releasing up court before Lee made the pass...But here, it will always go down as Lee making the IQ play...


I'll tell you what it was Holla, it was CHEMISTRY!!!! They made eye contact, and knew what to do without speaking!

It takes more than one man to have chemistry, and you gotta love it!

oohah

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12/19/2006  1:36 PM
This has to go down in history as one of the biggest waste of time arguments in posting history
I just hope that people will like me
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12/19/2006  1:42 PM
Holfresh that is fair enough answer. Please answer me this then. How does JJ start in front of Lee?
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