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MaTT4281
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12/19/2006  10:50 AM
Contrary to what Isiah has said, shot blocking is nOT over-rated. If you can contest the lane aggresively--you can stick in games.
I agree BRIGGS, I remember last night, Utah had a 1 on 1 oppotunity. Cato already had 2 or 3 blocks at this point and was working his way back under the basket and Fisher pulled the ball back even though it would have been a fairly easy layup had he hurried. Intimidation is as important as the actual block at times, but it all has to start someone. No one fears Eddy...yet (I can be hopeful).
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12/19/2006  10:52 AM
you are talking regression from end of 2005 to now, right? Otherwise you would be comparing the same players IMHO. Jamal is the SAME player is was during the first 6 weeks of each year, on that I would agree. But your first statement of "the funny thing about Crawford's supposed regression".... that regression is from end of 2005 to now. He has regressed, no doubt about it.

I don't think he regressed since the end of last year. He just had his once a season customary hot period at the end of last year. The year before that he had his hot streak earlier in the year. He did not "regress" after that, he just returned to the normal JC.

I think progress has to be sustained. A few hot weeks (Which he has had every year of his career.) is not enough for me to proclaim progress.

A similar comparison would be Eddie Curry. If he plays like crap for the rest of the season, he didn't regress, he was just hot for a few weeks, and returned to the normal Eddie Curry.

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12/19/2006  10:52 AM
When you have players that put forth the effort and can actually play a little D.....Rose, Cato, Balkman, it offsets Crawfords play.....

TMS the guy is as bad as i make him out to be.....

A couple of game winners in a 23 win season are really something to cheer about, crawford under isiah like nate is out of control there is no discipline with this team only friendship with Isiah......6-26, two fast break dunks doesn't get me excited, he hit one big shot down the stretch..

If Craw would take it to the rack and dish, or just take smart shots he would be a very effective player, but thats not going to happen so he is not needed.....
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12/19/2006  11:00 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guy has tremendous talent and length for the G position--but he is one of the most inconsistent players in the league. If Utah didnt go into a shell for 2.5 periods, Crawford's effeciency wouldve stood out much more. Last night proved you don't need FANCY offensive players to win games. If we had a player like rip, this would fit much better. Contrary to what Isiah has said, shot blocking is nOT over-rated. If you can contest the lane aggresively--you can stick in games. You do need some guys we can rely on for more offensive effeciency from the 1-2-3 positions.


Yea. Fryes block was huge late in the game, and I also saw boozer hesitating when cato was in the lane. shotblocking just changes the way the offense operates, guys rush shots, they rush their moves, causing feet to shuffle, and shots alter.....

as far as crawford, he hit a huge 3 late. He is what he is, he is almost a necessary evil. gotta have a guy who can get his shot off, sort of vince carter like.....
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12/19/2006  11:00 AM
6-26, two fast break dunks doesn't get me excited, he hit one big shot down the stretch..

If Craw would take it to the rack and dish, or just take smart shots he would be a very effective player, but thats not going to happen so he is not needed.....

he had a big dunk that ignited the crowd late in the 4th quarter during their run, & another soon after that barely went in but still he made the effort to dunk it... he also had a couple big running layups into the lane in the OT session... sorry, but you're not being accurate in your assessments here... he had an off shooting night... it happens... a guy named John Starks had 1 of the worst shooting nights in history during game 7 of the NBA Finals & i don't think any Knick fan would ever say he was a chemistry killer... you're going ballistic over this guy after a win vs. the Jazz not even halfway into the regular season... you seriously need to calm down on Jamal... he's not as bad as you make him out to be.
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12/19/2006  11:03 AM
Please don;t even ****ing compare starks with crawford, starks played defense every possession and was huge for this team
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12/19/2006  11:08 AM
Posted by oohah:
you are talking regression from end of 2005 to now, right? Otherwise you would be comparing the same players IMHO. Jamal is the SAME player is was during the first 6 weeks of each year, on that I would agree. But your first statement of "the funny thing about Crawford's supposed regression".... that regression is from end of 2005 to now. He has regressed, no doubt about it.

I don't think he regressed since the end of last year. He just had his once a season customary hot period at the end of last year. The year before that he had his hot streak earlier in the year. He did not "regress" after that, he just returned to the normal JC.

I think progress has to be sustained. A few hot weeks (Which he has had every year of his career.) is not enough for me to proclaim progress.

A similar comparison would be Eddie Curry. If he plays like crap for the rest of the season, he didn't regress, he was just hot for a few weeks, and returned to the normal Eddie Curry.

oohah

what constitutes a hot period? 1 month? 2? 3? 6?
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12/19/2006  11:09 AM
Posted by MS:

Please don;t even ****ing compare starks with crawford, starks played defense every possession and was huge for this team



come on man. Crawford had twice the talent starks had. I am getting sick of worshiping these old knicks as if they won something. Stark was a loose cannon, made bad decisions, killed us in a game 7 NBA finals, lost his cool way to often, note the head butt on reggie miller, and choked on those FT's that led to the loss when miller hitting two threes in 5 seconds... Starks was no saint,but he was a good player, gritty, tough, but a knucklehead...
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12/19/2006  11:11 AM
Posted by Andrew:

I agree...the 3 he chucked up with 10 seconds remaining on the shot could have spelled doom for the Knicks.


We gonna crucify the guy just because he upchucked on the court three times?
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12/19/2006  11:11 AM
Jamal played absolutely great for us when Larry had him reigned in and playing like the PG that he wanted. There was alot of hope that Jamal would continue to play the same way but he has reverted right back to hid old ways and thats not a good thing. Jamal is a very gifted player but he lets his one-on-one and chucking get the best of him, whether that is the the fault of the coach or not, it still occurs and this is the way he played in both Chicago and here in NY before last year.

The Jamal we're seeing this year can not excel on this team or any team for that matter, unless he has a bigtime player or coach to bring him back to earth when necessary.
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12/19/2006  11:12 AM

The thing about Craw is that he needs to use his head..Far too many times we see him taking a jumper early in the shot clock...I would love to see him drive more to draw the foul to get to the line...He shoots 81 percent from the line and like 38 percent from the field and more disgustingly 28 percent from the three pt line...He gets to the line 10 -12 times a game or when the game is on the line he is a different player.....
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12/19/2006  11:15 AM
Posted by MS:

Please don;t even ****ing compare starks with crawford, starks played defense every possession and was huge for this team

was there a comparison made between Jamal & Starks? funny, i don't remember making one... i was referencing the Knick fans' reactions to 1 of the worst shooting performances in history to your over the top reaction at Jamal's bad game last night... calm your ass down, pop a few of these & call me in the morning.

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12/19/2006  11:16 AM
what constitutes a hot period? 1 month? 2? 3? 6?

A better way for me to answer is to define progress. To me progress has be sustained for more than a season and it cannot be proclaimed after a few good weeks. You really have to become a better player and stay a better player, not just do it for a few weeks. Just take a look at JC's 2005-2006 game log. Or any of the years before that. He has 3-5 pretty strong weeks in a row every year. Players get hot!

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12/19/2006  11:20 AM
Martin, If JC is the same old JC for most of this season, then averages 20 pts. on 50% FGP, and adds to that 5 rbs. 5 ast. over the months of March and April this year will he have progressed? Or is he hot?

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12/19/2006  11:26 AM
oohah, I think progress for JC is defined this way: He is NOT a chucker and more of a mid-range guy who goes to the basket. Last year he did that and one way we can tell is that for the first time in his career he shot more FT than 3pointers. Using that as a baseline, Jamal has regressed this year so far.
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12/19/2006  2:01 PM
The only place for Craw on this team is with a 2nd unit that includes Lee and Balkman! Therefore if he is hot, which is 1 out of every 4 games, great. If not you have Lee and Balkman in there to clean the offensive glass and can yank him quickly!

Lee and Balkman do not need plays run for them to be effective and are excellent offensive rebounders. Most of Crawfords missed shots are long rebounds! Come to think of it have Jeffries out there as well with this unit for at least a few minutes before subbing for him.

Call me crazy but this team is not that far away. Once we get everyone back from injuries and suspensions I think were gonna be surprised.

We are very deep. I do not think we have the correct combinations of players right now but I do not think we are as far off as most people think.

Once we get everyone back we push for the playoffs while evaluating what we have and then make the correct adjustments.
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12/19/2006  2:05 PM
its hard to argue this post he played terrible last night but for some reason i still liek Jamal lol
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12/19/2006  2:10 PM
Posted by n24d30:

The only place for Craw on this team is with a 2nd unit that includes Lee and Balkman! Therefore if he is hot, which is 1 out of every 4 games, great. If not you have Lee and Balkman in there to clean the offensive glass and can yank him quickly!

Lee and Balkman do not need plays run for them to be effective and are excellent offensive rebounders. Most of Crawfords missed shots are long rebounds! Come to think of it have Jeffries out there as well with this unit for at least a few minutes before subbing for him.

Call me crazy but this team is not that far away. Once we get everyone back from injuries and suspensions I think were gonna be surprised.

We are very deep. I do not think we have the correct combinations of players right now but I do not think we are as far off as most people think.

Once we get everyone back we push for the playoffs while evaluating what we have and then make the correct adjustments.

This is what Isiah meant by lee is best served on the second unit.

That second unit is lights out and dominant for periods.
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12/19/2006  2:11 PM
Posted by Elite:

its hard to argue this post he played terrible last night but for some reason i still liek Jamal lol

Seriously, when he didn't shoot early in the clock from the arc and was open, we were openly yelling at him for not doing so.

I like the chucker in jamal coming off the bench, because he's like every other sixth man, get in, get hot if you aren't hot, we'll know right away.

Now if he could learn how not to palm the ball!!!
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12/19/2006  2:19 PM
he just needs to be smarter... There was a play late in the game where he jacked up a 3 and missed it.. totally stupid.

Then there was another play late where he faked a 3 that he could have taken and drove to the hoop for a layup... I wonder about this kid!!!
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