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fishmike
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12/18/2006  3:11 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

This is a pretty pathetic apology for Karl leaving his starters in. Wonder if you would accept a similar rationale from Isiah, had he given it in the opposite position. Isiah was wrong and so was Karl. Neither gets a pass.
pathetic? with 4:26 the score was 114-96. Obviously 18 points is a lot but teams can rip off a 10-0 run in 90 seconds, but forget about the Knicks chances. Lets talk about Karl's "pathetic" running up of the score, and count how many shot attempts they took
5:01 JR SMith misses 3 pointer
4:35 Earl Boykins misses jumper
4:13 JR Smith makes 2 point shot
3:34 JR Smith fouled (makes 1 of 2)
2:51 Miller makes layup
2:06 Frye blocks Carlmello's attempt
1:34 Miller misses jumper
1:31 Camby fouled on offensive rebound (no shot attempt)
1:15 Mardy's foul and fight

so over a 4 minutes span the Nuggets make 7 shot attempts. WOW

Karl was really imflating that total.

You guys kill me
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12/18/2006  3:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

There is a code about running up the score in the NBA...Much like there is a code in baseball if you steal a base in the ninth when you are up by 10 runs...Look to get beaned...Please don't put lipstick on this pig...


To run up the score you'd have to actually keep shooting. Please explain the Nuggets milking the shotclock in the 2 possessions leading up to the fight. They waited until the shotclock was under 5 seconds before looking to shoot.

But why recognize the truth when fiction is so much more inflammatory.

What game were you watching...If you didn't think the Karl was trying to send a message having his starters in the game at that point in time, well it's saying more about you and your understanding of the game...

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12/18/2006  3:11 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

There is a code about running up the score in the NBA...Much like there is a code in baseball if you steal a base in the ninth when you are up by 10 runs...Look to get beaned...Please don't put lipstick on this pig...


To run up the score you'd have to actually keep shooting. Please explain the Nuggets milking the shotclock in the 2 possessions leading up to the fight. They waited until the shotclock was under 5 seconds before looking to shoot.

But why recognize the truth when fiction is so much more inflammatory.

didn't realize JR Smith was fouled while he was dribbling the ball & running out the clock... i guess we all saw something different than you did.

So "running up the score" was based on that single fast break? Name me a player who gets a fast break with only on person to beat and doesn't take it no matter the situation.

Why was Isiah warning Melo before that fast break? What happened in the possessions before that fast break?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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12/18/2006  3:13 PM
how about nate dunking and flexing down 30 points to the lakers? but i guess that's ok b/c we were losing and that was just "nate being nate."
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12/18/2006  3:14 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

This is a pretty pathetic apology for Karl leaving his starters in. Wonder if you would accept a similar rationale from Isiah, had he given it in the opposite position. Isiah was wrong and so was Karl. Neither gets a pass.
pathetic? with 4:26 the score was 114-96. Obviously 18 points is a lot but teams can rip off a 10-0 run in 90 seconds, but forget about the Knicks chances. Lets talk about Karl's "pathetic" running up of the score, and count how many shot attempts they took
5:01 JR SMith misses 3 pointer
4:35 Earl Boykins misses jumper
4:13 JR Smith makes 2 point shot
3:34 JR Smith fouled (makes 1 of 2)
2:51 Miller makes layup
2:06 Frye blocks Carlmello's attempt
1:34 Miller misses jumper
1:31 Camby fouled on offensive rebound (no shot attempt)
1:15 Mardy's foul and fight

so over a 4 minutes span the Nuggets make 7 shot attempts. WOW

Karl was really imflating that total.

You guys kill me

How is it the rest of the globe thinks Karl was trying to send a message and you Isiah haters doesn't think so??..Hmmmm

islesfan
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12/18/2006  3:15 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

There is a code about running up the score in the NBA...Much like there is a code in baseball if you steal a base in the ninth when you are up by 10 runs...Look to get beaned...Please don't put lipstick on this pig...


To run up the score you'd have to actually keep shooting. Please explain the Nuggets milking the shotclock in the 2 possessions leading up to the fight. They waited until the shotclock was under 5 seconds before looking to shoot.

But why recognize the truth when fiction is so much more inflammatory.


So what would you say if Isiah used the same argument Karl did for keeping his players in if the roles were reversed? You, honestly, would be ok with him being worried about his players psyche from blowing a lead?

[Edited by - PresIke on 12-18-2006 3:02 PM]

I don't know the recent history of his team blowing big leads but if it's accurate then I have no problem with his keeping most of his starters in just to make sure the Knicks didn't make a run and make them sweat.

Although Karl was pulling his starters at the next stoppage of play, which happened to be the fight.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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12/18/2006  3:18 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

There is a code about running up the score in the NBA...Much like there is a code in baseball if you steal a base in the ninth when you are up by 10 runs...Look to get beaned...Please don't put lipstick on this pig...


To run up the score you'd have to actually keep shooting. Please explain the Nuggets milking the shotclock in the 2 possessions leading up to the fight. They waited until the shotclock was under 5 seconds before looking to shoot.

But why recognize the truth when fiction is so much more inflammatory.

What game were you watching...If you didn't think the Karl was trying to send a message having his starters in the game at that point in time, well it's saying more about you and your understanding of the game...


Keep telling everybody what you think happened instead of what actually happened.

I'm telling you that in the 2 possessions prior to the fight, the Nuggets milked the clock and didn't look for a shot until 5 seconds remained in the shot clock.

You're telling me that that means nothing and that it was obvious that the Nuggets were running the score up despite their lack of actual shot attempts.

Again, I'm not giving you an opinion, I'm telling you what happened. You prefer to ignore it.
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12/18/2006  3:19 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

This is a pretty pathetic apology for Karl leaving his starters in. Wonder if you would accept a similar rationale from Isiah, had he given it in the opposite position. Isiah was wrong and so was Karl. Neither gets a pass.
pathetic? with 4:26 the score was 114-96. Obviously 18 points is a lot but teams can rip off a 10-0 run in 90 seconds, but forget about the Knicks chances. Lets talk about Karl's "pathetic" running up of the score, and count how many shot attempts they took
5:01 JR SMith misses 3 pointer
4:35 Earl Boykins misses jumper
4:13 JR Smith makes 2 point shot
3:34 JR Smith fouled (makes 1 of 2)
2:51 Miller makes layup
2:06 Frye blocks Carlmello's attempt
1:34 Miller misses jumper
1:31 Camby fouled on offensive rebound (no shot attempt)
1:15 Mardy's foul and fight

so over a 4 minutes span the Nuggets make 7 shot attempts. WOW

Karl was really imflating that total.

You guys kill me

How is it the rest of the globe thinks Karl was trying to send a message and you Isiah haters doesn't think so??..Hmmmm

was the message to his own starters to close out games? The rest of the globe? Are you serious? Aside from you and like 4 other guys the "rest of the globe" pretty much thinks Isiah is the worst GM in all pro sports right now.

Lets talk about basketball knowledge. When a team dribbles out 20 seconds of every possesion they have its called killing the clock. This is done to accelerate an already determined outcome.

Also something thats common is for the team thats getting killed to empty their bench, while the team thats winning leaves in veteran ball handlers to avoid stupid mistakes and turnovers.

This free basketball lession has been provided as a community service to those unaware of what they are seeing.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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12/18/2006  3:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

There is a code about running up the score in the NBA...Much like there is a code in baseball if you steal a base in the ninth when you are up by 10 runs...Look to get beaned...Please don't put lipstick on this pig...


To run up the score you'd have to actually keep shooting. Please explain the Nuggets milking the shotclock in the 2 possessions leading up to the fight. They waited until the shotclock was under 5 seconds before looking to shoot.

But why recognize the truth when fiction is so much more inflammatory.

didn't realize JR Smith was fouled while he was dribbling the ball & running out the clock... i guess we all saw something different than you did.

So "running up the score" was based on that single fast break? Name me a player who gets a fast break with only on person to beat and doesn't take it no matter the situation.

Why was Isiah warning Melo before that fast break? What happened in the possessions before that fast break?

Karl's excuse for keeping his players in was that he didn't want the team to win by less than double digits after having led by so much during the game... he said he was worried it would have been a letdown for the team to allow the Knicks to fight back & lose by less than 10... please, that's about as big a line of BS as i've ever heard... when you've completely & utterly dominated a team the way they did the other night, taking out your starters & letting your 2nd team lose by less than 10 isn't demoralizing in any way, shape or fashion.

& i've never heard of a team coming back to win a game with a little over a minute left & losing by 19... i guess Karl didn't want to set a precedent.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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12/18/2006  3:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

This is a pretty pathetic apology for Karl leaving his starters in. Wonder if you would accept a similar rationale from Isiah, had he given it in the opposite position. Isiah was wrong and so was Karl. Neither gets a pass.
pathetic? with 4:26 the score was 114-96. Obviously 18 points is a lot but teams can rip off a 10-0 run in 90 seconds, but forget about the Knicks chances. Lets talk about Karl's "pathetic" running up of the score, and count how many shot attempts they took
5:01 JR SMith misses 3 pointer
4:35 Earl Boykins misses jumper
4:13 JR Smith makes 2 point shot
3:34 JR Smith fouled (makes 1 of 2)
2:51 Miller makes layup
2:06 Frye blocks Carlmello's attempt
1:34 Miller misses jumper
1:31 Camby fouled on offensive rebound (no shot attempt)
1:15 Mardy's foul and fight

so over a 4 minutes span the Nuggets make 7 shot attempts. WOW

Karl was really imflating that total.

You guys kill me

How is it the rest of the globe thinks Karl was trying to send a message and you Isiah haters doesn't think so??..Hmmmm


How is it the rest of the globe thinks Isiah is doing a horrible job and deserves to be fired and you don't think so??..Hmmm
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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12/18/2006  3:21 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

There is a code about running up the score in the NBA...Much like there is a code in baseball if you steal a base in the ninth when you are up by 10 runs...Look to get beaned...Please don't put lipstick on this pig...

And that code applies to the last 2-3 minutes of the game. Karl was actually right. He's the road team and his team has blown leads.

Look at the Knicks Grizz opening night... maybe the Knicks were just following the code and not coughing up a big lead right?

are you serious, the 3ot knicks griz game ? 2 very different type of games, Griz came back in the 4th and it was a game long before then. I cant believe you bring that as your example.
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12/18/2006  3:22 PM
I'd take Karl over Zeke any day.
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12/18/2006  3:25 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

There is a code about running up the score in the NBA...Much like there is a code in baseball if you steal a base in the ninth when you are up by 10 runs...Look to get beaned...Please don't put lipstick on this pig...


To run up the score you'd have to actually keep shooting. Please explain the Nuggets milking the shotclock in the 2 possessions leading up to the fight. They waited until the shotclock was under 5 seconds before looking to shoot.

But why recognize the truth when fiction is so much more inflammatory.

didn't realize JR Smith was fouled while he was dribbling the ball & running out the clock... i guess we all saw something different than you did.

So "running up the score" was based on that single fast break? Name me a player who gets a fast break with only on person to beat and doesn't take it no matter the situation.

Why was Isiah warning Melo before that fast break? What happened in the possessions before that fast break?

Karl's excuse for keeping his players in was that he didn't want the team to win by less than double digits after having led by so much during the game... he said he was worried it would have been a letdown for the team to allow the Knicks to fight back & lose by less than 10... please, that's about as big a line of BS as i've ever heard... when you've completely & utterly dominated a team the way they did the other night, taking out your starters & letting your 2nd team lose by less than 10 isn't demoralizing in any way, shape or fashion.

& i've never heard of a team coming back to win a game with a little over a minute left & losing by 19... i guess Karl didn't want to set a precedent.

The Nuggets didn't "completely and utterly" dominate them. The 2nd half score was about even and the Knicks had just gone on a run to cut the lead to under 10 earlier in the 4th quarter.

As far as never hearing about a team coming back to win a game like that, I guess that's why Karl was in the process of pulling the rest of his starters before the fight.
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12/18/2006  3:30 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by Nalod:

Look at Denvers last 5-6 games. Have not been all too pretty.

Road record sucks also.

HIs team is up 17 and your sending out your starters. Not all that bad if you think about it.

Bad teams have to do this.

This is a pretty pathetic apology for Karl leaving his starters in. Wonder if you would accept a similar rationale from Isiah, had he given it in the opposite position. Isiah was wrong and so was Karl. Neither gets a pass.
pathetic? with 4:26 the score was 114-96. Obviously 18 points is a lot but teams can rip off a 10-0 run in 90 seconds, but forget about the Knicks chances. Lets talk about Karl's "pathetic" running up of the score, and count how many shot attempts they took
5:01 JR SMith misses 3 pointer
4:35 Earl Boykins misses jumper
4:13 JR Smith makes 2 point shot
3:34 JR Smith fouled (makes 1 of 2)
2:51 Miller makes layup
2:06 Frye blocks Carlmello's attempt
1:34 Miller misses jumper
1:31 Camby fouled on offensive rebound (no shot attempt)
1:15 Mardy's foul and fight

so over a 4 minutes span the Nuggets make 7 shot attempts. WOW

Karl was really imflating that total.

You guys kill me

not how many shots, the kind of shots they were taking, their attitude and demeanor on the floor. You could find all kind of stats to back you up, the truth is they were showboating and trash talking while they were doing it. You fail to mention that, running the clock down could be done by earl boykins or somme one else. Both coaches were wrong, the fact that you decide to find excuses for Karl is simply ridiculous.
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12/18/2006  3:31 PM

Reggie Miller on right now, he says that Karl was trying to run the score up...he also says that Isiah put Marty in to retaliate..he said he played for both coaches...he says they are both old schools type coaches...They both knew what was going down...Karl was trying to embarrass Isiah and the Knicks and Isiah was trying to retaliate...

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12/18/2006  3:34 PM
Assiah should be embarrassed. It's his fault the team was down 20 at HOME to begin with because he's the man that put this roster together, while blaming fans ex-coaches and the salary crap. Take your punishment and get the hell out from my favorite team.
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12/18/2006  3:34 PM
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Am I alone in thinking that this is getting really childish?

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12/18/2006  3:44 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Assiah should be embarrassed. It's his fault the team was down 20 at HOME to begin with because he's the man that put this roster together, while blaming fans ex-coaches and the salary crap. Take your punishment and get the hell out from my favorite team.

I think this statement says it all, people hate him so much and want him gone so much. It doesnt matter what IT does, people are going to try to kill him.

If we forgets to put the seat down, fire Isaih. Crappy example i know, but you get my point. You have to view it case by case. Both are equally responsible, point is, karl should have taken them out. this would be a moot point.
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12/18/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Reggie Miller on right now, he says that Karl was trying to run the score up...he also says that Isiah put Marty in to retaliate..he said he played for both coaches...he says they are both old schools type coaches...They both knew what was going down...Karl was trying to embarrass Isiah and the Knicks and Isiah was trying to retaliate...

well if Reggie Miller said it it must be true.

Maybe if the Knicks had the talent to compete on a nightly basis we could be talking about the standings or whatever it is people with winning teams talk about
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12/18/2006  3:58 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:


Reggie Miller on right now, he says that Karl was trying to run the score up...he also says that Isiah put Marty in to retaliate..he said he played for both coaches...he says they are both old schools type coaches...They both knew what was going down...Karl was trying to embarrass Isiah and the Knicks and Isiah was trying to retaliate...

well if Reggie Miller said it it must be true.

Maybe if the Knicks had the talent to compete on a nightly basis we could be talking about the standings or whatever it is people with winning teams talk about

sad thing is, that with a simple 3 or 4 game win streak we could win the atlantic
lol
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