Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nixluva:

Coaches have been doing stuff like that since the beginning of the game.

yeah, but it's like when Joe Smith had the under the table agreement with Minnesota - people all think its a wink-wink nudge-nudge thing, but if there's proof, Stern is coming to come down hard on the offender. if there's proof Isiah called in the foul (and the fact that Collins did it two nights in a row casts doubt Isiah's way), the fact that it led to a bigger incident is going to counted against him as well. I think Isiah could be suspended. I wonder if this will be enough for Dolan to finally grow a pair. It'd be funny if he decided Mills was on the hot seat next and Mills had to coach and be the GM.

I would lose respect for a coach who didn't tell his players no easy layups...But it's funny that they waited until 1:15 left in the game to listen to him...They were doing alley oops all night..

this is nowhere near the same thing as "no easy layups" - the knicks allow easy layups all game long, because they suck. this is a lot closer to "go out and hurt that guy who is embarassing you (and more importantly me)"

this wasn't about defense, it was some warped bravado.

I doubt anyone is telling anyone to go out there and hurt an individual...It's been a code for a long time in the NBA until they changed the rules geared towards the Knicks..But at one time, those plays were the norm where there would be hard fouls on layups...Who are the guys here who longed for Oakley's toughness...How do you think Oak made a living??

Posted by Rich:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by crzymdups:

I think Stern will suspend Isiah or fine the team heavily if the pre-meditation thing can be proven.

How can it be proven?

Right now you have two coorroborating stories. One from Nate, another from Carmelo or whoever said it. hat is not good for Isiah.

I don't see how Marshmallow has any cred.

It doesn't matter how much cred we think he has. Right now Isiah is looking at a few things that don't look good for him:

-Nate said the team "Knew a foul was coming" to the press.
-Carmelo's (or whoever said it, if a recall they didn't attriubte the guy who made the quote directly to Sheridan as Carmelo) comment.
-So far Isiah has had problems with 2 coaches-Pop and Karl. If you recall, in one of the summer camps Karl and Isiah got into a fight over comments Karl had made.
-Isiah has reportedly told his players to "break his leg" if Bowen continued to play "dirty".

Now why Isiah woul be buddy/buddy with Melo after saying something like that to him, I have NO idea and that doesn't fit the storyline being put together.

Rich, you're a lawyer, right? I know this isn't a court of law, but isn't that alot of circumstantial evidance?

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nixluva:

Coaches have been doing stuff like that since the beginning of the game.

yeah, but it's like when Joe Smith had the under the table agreement with Minnesota - people all think its a wink-wink nudge-nudge thing, but if there's proof, Stern is coming to come down hard on the offender. if there's proof Isiah called in the foul (and the fact that Collins did it two nights in a row casts doubt Isiah's way), the fact that it led to a bigger incident is going to counted against him as well. I think Isiah could be suspended. I wonder if this will be enough for Dolan to finally grow a pair. It'd be funny if he decided Mills was on the hot seat next and Mills had to coach and be the GM.

I would lose respect for a coach who didn't tell his players no easy layups...But it's funny that they waited until 1:15 left in the game to listen to him...They were doing alley oops all night..

this is nowhere near the same thing as "no easy layups" - the knicks allow easy layups all game long, because they suck. this is a lot closer to "go out and hurt that guy who is embarassing you (and more importantly me)"

this wasn't about defense, it was some warped bravado.

I doubt anyone is telling anyone to go out there and hurt an individual...It's been a code for a long time in the NBA until they changed the rules geared towards the Knicks..But at one time, those plays were the norm where there would be hard fouls on layups...Who are the guys here who longed for Oakley's toughness...How do you think Oak made a living??

I miss Oak alot and long for that style of play. I also don't think that the foul by Mardy was that bad. He let up on contact, he didn't railroad JR into anything, and he also didn't exert any unneccesary force to floor JR. It was a Flagrant 2, but it wasn't that bad of a foul.

Posted by Rich:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by crzymdups:

I think Stern will suspend Isiah or fine the team heavily if the pre-meditation thing can be proven.

How can it be proven?

Right now you have two coorroborating stories. One from Nate, another from Carmelo or whoever said it. hat is not good for Isiah.

I don't see how Marshmallow has any cred.

It doesn't matter how much cred we think he has. Right now Isiah is looking at a few things that don't look good for him:

-Nate said the team "Knew a foul was coming" to the press.
-Carmelo's (or whoever said it, if a recall they didn't attriubte the guy who made the quote directly to Sheridan as Carmelo) comment.
-So far Isiah has had problems with 2 coaches-Pop and Karl. If you recall, in one of the summer camps Karl and Isiah got into a fight over comments Karl had made.
-Isiah has reportedly told his players to "break his leg" if Bowen continued to play "dirty".

Now why Isiah woul be buddy/buddy with Melo after saying something like that to him, I have NO idea and that doesn't fit the storyline being put together.

Rich, you're a lawyer, right? I know this isn't a court of law, but isn't that alot of circumstantial evidance?

But if Smith goes to the line after he was fouled, which is what the rules require, everything else is moot, isn't it?

Absolutely. Thing is, to me, Nate was the one who triggered the real explosion because of how he grabbed and pushed JR. Then JR snapped. If Nate doesn't do that, I personally believe this is no different than any of the thousands of other instances we have all seen of a player getting in the face of a player who just fouled him hard. They both get T's and we move on.

Nate was the one who first made a move of "physical violence" by pushing JR, he didn't throw a punch then but he struck the first physical blow with the shove.

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Posted by Rich:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by crzymdups:

I think Stern will suspend Isiah or fine the team heavily if the pre-meditation thing can be proven.

How can it be proven?

Right now you have two coorroborating stories. One from Nate, another from Carmelo or whoever said it. hat is not good for Isiah.

I don't see how Marshmallow has any cred.

It doesn't matter how much cred we think he has. Right now Isiah is looking at a few things that don't look good for him:

-Nate said the team "Knew a foul was coming" to the press.
-Carmelo's (or whoever said it, if a recall they didn't attriubte the guy who made the quote directly to Sheridan as Carmelo) comment.
-So far Isiah has had problems with 2 coaches-Pop and Karl. If you recall, in one of the summer camps Karl and Isiah got into a fight over comments Karl had made.
-Isiah has reportedly told his players to "break his leg" if Bowen continued to play "dirty".

Now why Isiah woul be buddy/buddy with Melo after saying something like that to him, I have NO idea and that doesn't fit the storyline being put together.

Rich, you're a lawyer, right? I know this isn't a court of law, but isn't that alot of circumstantial evidance?

But if Smith goes to the line after he was fouled, which is what the rules require, everything else is moot, isn't it?

Absolutely. Thing is, to me, Nate was the one who triggered the real explosion because of how he grabbed and pushed JR. Then JR snapped. If Nate doesn't do that, I personally believe this is no different than any of the thousands of other instances we have all seen of a player getting in the face of a player who just fouled him hard. They both get T's and we move on.

Nate was the one who first made a move of "physical violence" by pushing JR, he didn't throw a punch then but he struck the first physical blow with the shove.

I think Smith triggered it. If he just takes the foul and walks away, Nate's role is irrelevant.

I think Nate started the fight... but Melo made it ugly

Posted by Rich:

Posted by crzymdups:

I think Stern will suspend Isiah or fine the team heavily if the pre-meditation thing can be proven.

How can it be proven?

Yea- isiah sent out Collins to committ a hard foul and cause Melo to sucker punch him.

Yea- Denver is innocent. Isiah is the problem.

since the Knicks cant establish they can be tough by effort and actually outplaying someone they resort to this. Cant say I am suprised. Remember when Isiah said "I will be the leader" ???

Guess we are seeing that now

Posted by Bobby:

melo starts bs in our house and fans still find ways to throw zeke under the bus...wtf

Don't worry. Haters don't matter.

You know whats so hilarious about this all is the idea of Zeke saying this "you better watch out next time in the paint" too bad almost every team we have played repeatedly abuses the Knicks in the paint and than he decides to go all bad boy with the biggest bunch of cry babies. Clearly there was premediatition I'm suprised more people haven't mentioned this but in the Indiana game Mardy committed almost identical foul against (I think it was) Al Harrington in another blow out so if your telling me that Mardy just randomly decided to it in that game and last night come on he's a total scrub no way he did that on his own.

Umm so you do it in the last 5 minutes of a blow out losses yea some "No lay-up rule".