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islesfan
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12/14/2006  1:17 PM
Mardy Collins is a fringe NBA player. He'll be in Europe at the end of his 3 yr guarantee.
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12/14/2006  1:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

You mean like for example, Jarrett Jack or Marcus Williams and Brandon Roy?

I don't know about these guys. Seem more like scoring PGs. We have enough firepower. I think somebody like Livingston or Ridnour (even though his TOs are ridiculously high and plays no defense) would be better. A PG who runs the offense first. Somebody mentioned Fischer the other day. He's pretty old but he might be good for 25 minutes a night. He already knows how to feed a big man, plays solid D, and can hit the three. Maybe he could tutor Mardy?
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12/14/2006  1:26 PM
I dont think Mardy will be a starter but who knows. Not enough playing time yet to know
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12/14/2006  1:28 PM
A Mardy, QRich, JJ2, Lee, Curry lineup is actually a pretty good one. Add in a sprinkle of the Balkster, Frye and Nate and you have a making of a good playoff run every year.
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12/14/2006  1:31 PM
We need a shotblocker/banger in the frontcourt, It's not complete. If we're going to go with the backcourt we have, then that should be the number 1 priority. If not, then you have to rebuild the backcourt with guys who can D up consistently to give Curry, Frye and Lee a cushion.
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12/14/2006  1:32 PM
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again. This team will be ready to compete when a defensive/offensive starting PF is acquired and the backcourt is totally revamped. I guess QRich COULD work at SG but, I'm thinking this team needs a TRUE SG, a top scoring SG in this backcourt(someone like Allan Houston).

In addition to that, I think this team absolutely NEEDS a starting PG that will be a leader, general, knockdown the occasional 3 and run the offense.

Once these pieces are acquired, I like this teams chances.
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12/14/2006  1:34 PM
mardy's defense is nba calibar (better than eric snow right now).
we don't want a PG that shoots, so I don't see a problem there.
Frye is a shot blocker, lee is a banger, curry is the work horse.

The front court is weak. but mardy along side qrich is a very stellar back court defense, jeffries manning the 3 and the front court rotation discussed, and the youthful core is in place.

Crawford off the bench to score completes the back court.
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12/14/2006  1:36 PM
Just say no to Dinglebury and we have a good team.
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12/14/2006  1:37 PM
Frye is a shot blocker, lee is a banger, curry is the work horse.

Besides the Lee part, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard on any of the boards.
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12/14/2006  1:38 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

mardy's defense is nba calibar (better than eric snow right now).
we don't want a PG that shoots, so I don't see a problem there.
Frye is a shot blocker, lee is a banger, curry is the work horse.

The front court is weak. but mardy along side qrich is a very stellar back court defense, jeffries manning the 3 and the front court rotation discussed, and the youthful core is in place.

Crawford off the bench to score completes the back court.

Mardy has yet to play more than a minute and you are ready to pass him off as nba calibar? We want a PG that can hit an open jumper so that he isn't left on the perimeter to double down on Curry when the PG is trying to feed the post.

Let me know when Frye is intimidating guards from coming into the paint, cause that ain't happening yet. He ain't a shotblocker.

Lee is a rebounder by way of position and hustle and timing, not banging, that was Oak.

I want Curry to be a two-way workhorse, not just on the O end.
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12/14/2006  1:38 PM
I should have said "will be".
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12/14/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

I should have said "will be".

until then, puff puff pass.
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12/14/2006  1:39 PM
currently he can't hit the side of a barn, but just like isiah's quote yesterday about 2 best defenders, the defender part always get's ignored.

Currently mardy collins is an nba calibar DEFENDER.
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12/14/2006  1:40 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by babyKnicks:

I should have said "will be".

until then, puff puff pass.


rofl
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12/14/2006  1:40 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

currently he can't hit the side of a barn, but just like isiah's quote yesterday about 2 best defenders, the defender part always get's ignored.

Currently mardy collins is an nba calibar DEFENDER.

How the fukc can you say that? he is good at defending his seat on the bench and that's about all.
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12/14/2006  1:49 PM
potential, etc.
his good background learning from Temple in a Larry brown type system.
he's 6-6, 220, excellent ball handler and isn't expected to do anything this year.
all opinion, but based on how he is and his background, I put him at eric snow's current defensive skillset.
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12/14/2006  1:55 PM
Who is really the pessimist?

The guy who wants to find a way to adjust the personnel to better his favorite team. Or the guy who sees every trade as a negative thing and feels his 9-15 team needs no changes? just curious.
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12/14/2006  1:57 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

potential, etc.
his good background learning from Temple in a Larry brown type system.
he's 6-6, 220, excellent ball handler and isn't expected to do anything this year.
all opinion, but based on how he is and his background, I put him at eric snow's current defensive skillset.

hey you didn't mention potential at all. You said Mardy IS an NBA caliber defender.

Does this mean any guard coming out of Temple or a defensive minded college program is automatically an NBA caliber defender?

By that logic, lot of guys on UNC can become Jordan.
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12/14/2006  2:03 PM
If those are the two options, the bigger pessimist is the guy that sees every trade as a negative thing and feels his 9-15 team needs no changes.

Personally, I like Frye's game and feel he is an important piece to the puzzle and one of our main "yoots".

Unless you are bringing in an all star, let the second year player get better.

I think the issue was the question was two part.

The guy who sees EVERY trade as negative...that's a pessimist.

Coupling the question with "feels his 9-15 team needs no changes" that's an optimist.

combining them together, the pessimistic statement outweighs the optimistic statement and deems the entire sentence pessimistic.

The guy who wants to find a way to "adjust" the personnell to better his favorite team is neither optimistic or pessimistic. (sp?) but if he is doing it by giving up on the youth already assembled, then he is pessimistic that the first and second year players will ever develop or get better and is looking for immediate impact players.

is there anybody out there at the same level of development as frye and is a better option or are we packaging him with marbury to get rid of marbury?

we should be looking to move anybody over 28.

everybody else stays in my opinion.

Let's build around our youth and get the Garden rocking again.
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12/14/2006  2:12 PM
babyknicks: Your response to my post just proves my point of how immature and pointless it is to label people pessimists and optimists. I make so many posts that ask questions that ultimately come up during the season and the mere asking of the question somehow means I hate the team. Funny thing is when Isiah makes moves that balance the backcourt and cover the needs that I say we need, he will be called a genius, and I will still be a pessimist. It's silly.

But back to your post. I agree. You have to stop looking at people that say let's think about trading Frye as people saying "let's dump him". People on this site only seem to want to trade players that suck. But don't realize sometimes to get better you have to trade or not sign players that you love(Xman, Mase, Starks). "Noone wants to dump Frye because he sucks". Very few have given up on the guy. But we have to find ways to improve the roster. Sometimes the best move is giving up some of your better more promising players. You don't just give him away, of course you wait for a good trade to arrive. Who doesn't want that?
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