Posted by fishmike:

god who cares... we have essentially traded Marbury's great offensive numbers for Curry's. Neither thus far have shown to have any impact on the game what so ever since neither of them so much as raises a hand on the other end of the court.

When these guys can get Curry to start having some kind of defensive presense the Knicks will start to win games. Then the credit will come.

Marburys offesnive numbers have been bad with or without Curry. Marbury never shot 55% from the field. Its a huge advantage having a post game because it opens everything else up. Now when Marbury and other guards attack the paint other teams Centers just watch becuse they are afraid to leave Curry. Currys defense is picking up but players play offense and defense. As long as his contribution on offense is so great we can live with his defense. I dont see opposing cnters ringing up huge numbers. We are 5-6 in cyrrys streak. Thats the best ball we have played since last January

Posted by martin:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

Pax says thats not true. Pax said he refused to do the trade with lottery protection. Why would Pax lie ? By the way people keep forgetting Pax did not want to trade Curry at all. The day of the trade he was really let down and emotional. He couldnt even answer questions at one point.
Also I thought curry defended better last night. Even his blocks are coming up and I never thought Id see that

GM's always roll over after a trade and come out with.... "ah, you almost got me, I would have paid. Nah-nah!" It's called negotiation, perhaps you have never done it.

Pax is a very honest man and I dont think he would lie without a real purpose. Pax did not wnat to trade the kid. Go look at the press conferance. He was really upset

You started to see curry do well last year in spurts.

When the back court got him the ball deep enough, or while Curry in motion he was a monster. When Franbury rebelled against the white devil is when curry got cut off and disinterested.

His rebounding increase is most incouraging. He won't be the big stopper we can all hope, be average defense would be ok by me.

Isiah is following Larrys lead and succeeding in naming Curry the franchise. What makes this year different is Marbury's lousy play has made it easier to yank the star treatment away from him and put the ball in the big mans hands!

WE are seeing improvement on the court.

Without Franbury I'd be happy to call this a young building team. With them I'd say they need to dump Marbury as Francis seems to be willing and ABLE to change, where StumpBury seems lost.

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by fishmike:

god who cares... we have essentially traded Marbury's great offensive numbers for Curry's. Neither thus far have shown to have any impact on the game what so ever since neither of them so much as raises a hand on the other end of the court.

When these guys can get Curry to start having some kind of defensive presense the Knicks will start to win games. Then the credit will come.

Marburys offesnive numbers have been bad with or without Curry. Marbury never shot 55% from the field. Its a huge advantage having a post game because it opens everything else up. Now when Marbury and other guards attack the paint other teams Centers just watch becuse they are afraid to leave Curry. Currys defense is picking up but players play offense and defense. As long as his contribution on offense is so great we can live with his defense. I dont see opposing cnters ringing up huge numbers. We are 5-6 in cyrrys streak. Thats the best ball we have played since last January

if you look at what opposing players do against Curry you see they shoot a high % against him and gets badly outrebounded.
As for Marbury he shot 46% (fantastic for a guard) played all 82 games and averaged 22 points, 8 assists, shot 46% and took good care of the ball. The Knicks won 33 games. Thats a monster year and that team had a lot of depth, yet they sucked.

Its tit for tat.

Also Pax was NOT signing Curry without a DNA test, and Eddy was NOT taking a DNA test. This is why everyone knew Curry wasnt going to be a Bull, come stay lay or pray. Pax's hands were tied and Isiah bailed him out making him look like a genious in a bad situation.

Isiah is inflating Curry's numbers by featuring him on every position, but its not impacting the game and we arent built to win with Eddy as a featured player.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by fishmike:

god who cares... we have essentially traded Marbury's great offensive numbers for Curry's. Neither thus far have shown to have any impact on the game what so ever since neither of them so much as raises a hand on the other end of the court.

When these guys can get Curry to start having some kind of defensive presense the Knicks will start to win games. Then the credit will come.

Marburys offesnive numbers have been bad with or without Curry. Marbury never shot 55% from the field. Its a huge advantage having a post game because it opens everything else up. Now when Marbury and other guards attack the paint other teams Centers just watch becuse they are afraid to leave Curry. Currys defense is picking up but players play offense and defense. As long as his contribution on offense is so great we can live with his defense. I dont see opposing cnters ringing up huge numbers. We are 5-6 in cyrrys streak. Thats the best ball we have played since last January

if you look at what opposing players do against Curry you see they shoot a high % against him and gets badly outrebounded.
As for Marbury he shot 46% (fantastic for a guard) played all 82 games and averaged 22 points, 8 assists, shot 46% and took good care of the ball. The Knicks won 33 games. Thats a monster year and that team had a lot of depth, yet they sucked.

Its tit for tat.

Also Pax was NOT signing Curry without a DNA test, and Eddy was NOT taking a DNA test. This is why everyone knew Curry wasnt going to be a Bull, come stay lay or pray. Pax's hands were tied and Isiah bailed him out making him look like a genious in a bad situation.

Isiah is inflating Curry's numbers by featuring him on every position, but its not impacting the game and we arent built to win with Eddy as a featured player.

You are seeing what you want to see and spinning.

Yes Pax was not able to play him without a dna test ( pax did not wnat him to have a health problem) but he wanted to keep him. He flat out offered him 32 mill with a dna test which if he passed it went up to 60 mill.

Marburys numbers from 2 years ago are as relavant as H20s numbers from 4 years ago. They are not the same players now. Age and injuries change a player.

Isiah is not featuring Curry every time we have the ball. He is our leading scorer and our best offensive player but he is not getting the ball anywhere near most other teams leading scorers. He averages 12 shots a game. Thats not force feeding anyone the ball. He doesnt even lead the team in shots for crying out loud. Jcraw leads the team in shots. Curry isnt even in the top 50 in the NBA in shot attempts
Is Isiah also inflating his rebounding numbers? Because those are at a career high and going up as well.

I realize nothing I say will make a difference to you. Your hatred for Isiah and Curry is set in stone. Curry could score 50 with 20 boards and you would still try to undermine his efforts.

The press conferance could have been a show but I dont think Pax is that kind of person. But be serious Martin when a team offers you a guaranteed 32 million even if you fail a dna test and never play another game and a 60 million deal if you pass the DNA test that is not for show. Chicagos owner doesnt play around with 32-60 million for show. Ill go by Paxs actual actions. :)

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-14-2006 09:27 AM]

How am I spinning? And where are you getting the $32mm from

here are the facts:
Pax was not offering him a long term contract without a DNA
Eddy was cleared to play by the NBA and by the Bulls doctors
Eddy was not taking a DNA test

Pax offered Eddy something like $5mm (which was $100k over 50 years) if he failed the test and pawned it off as all the Bulls wanted was for Eddy to be safe.

Posted by martin:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

The press conferance could have been a show but I dont think Pax is that kind of person. But be serious Martin when a team offers you a guaranteed 32 million even if you fail a dna test and never play another game and a 60 million deal if you pass the DNA test that is not for show. Chicagos owner doesnt play around with 32-60 million for show. Ill go by Paxs actual actions. :)

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-14-2006 09:27 AM]

nonononono. It wasn't for $32M-$60M guaranteed. NO WAY. It was for like $200K-400K a year for 25-50 years. Something like that. You take the present day value of that and it works out to somewhere along the magnitude of $100K a year. THAT IS NOT CHARITY, that is a rip-off in terms of NBA contracts, especially considering a LOT of other teams would have offered Eddie, at a bare minimum, the $5.5M midlevel. The Knicks are on the hook for $10M a YEAR, right?

Charity? HAHA. It's a business world out there and there is NO SUCH thing as charity except for the contracts Isiah hands out.

Nobody said it was Charity. I believe the deal was 20 mill over 50 years. But you are missing the point. If Eddy passed the DNA test the deal would have been a guaranteed 6 year 60 mill deal. This was after they offered 1 year at 5 mill quallifying offer. Seems like a lot of anguish for a player they did not want to keep. If they didnt want Eddy back they wouldnt have offered him a chance at a 6 year 60 mill deal. The Bulls fans have said for over a year Pax always wanted Eddy back as long as he would take and pass the dna test.
If you want to say Pax didnt want Curry back thats fine. It just isnt accurate or true. They offered him money if he failed the dna test for never playing a game and they offered him a choice of a short term or long term contract if he passed the DNA test. Thats what happened. Pax wanted to keep him. I'm glad EC came here.

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-14-2006 10:06 AM]

bottomline Knick fans... be happy we finally have a low post scoring presence... it will open up scoring opportunities for everyone else on the team once Curry learns how to effectively pass out of the double team... stop w/the Isiah hate for 1 second & appreciate what Curry's doing this season... everyone has their own problems w/what Isiah's done as a Knick GM since he's been here, but bringing Curry here should not be 1 of them at this point.

Martin if Pax didnt want Curry to stay he would not have offered him contracts at all. He did want him to stay but Curry refused the dna tests. If Bulls fans that live and breath the team 24/7 all say Pax wanted to keep Curry and Pax says he wanted to keep Curry and Pax offered Curry 3 different contract options then I think its just silly to say Pax did not wnat Curry but believe what you wnat.

If we make the playoffs then the pick this year would be in the teens and making that swap with Da Bulls is not that painful to take.