Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by nixluva:

ANJI if you have a tape of the game go WATCH IT AGAIN! Cuz clearly your understanding of what's happening on the court is off. Just count how many times Steph has to fight over a pick and then see how many times another Knick defender actually steps over to help shut down the lane. It almost NEVER happens and that's why our D stinks. No guard can stop another guard one on one, especially when he get's solid picks. You want the impossible from STeph. He's been hustling on D for a good while now, but it doesn't work if you don't play good TEAM DEFENSE. This is why we're waiting for Jared and Frye to come back. Not that they'll make us better all by themselves, but it's the change in the lineup that can have a positive effect. STeph, Q, Jared, Lee and Curry or Steph, Jamal, Q, Jared and Curry and then eventually Steph, Q, Jared, Frye and Curry are all much better defensive units than what we have right now. We'll be able to cover more ground and we'll have more length. This should help. We won't be a top defensive team, but then we don't have to be. We just want to improve enough to hold teams scoring down. We know we can score at a very efficient rate, but if we can keep teams from going off, we'll win more games.

Wha?????

Marbury Gets detroyed BY MO williams and you giving him a moral win???? Like he is Mardy Collins, LOL. Count how many times he fight's over a screen, He hustles???? THat's what you say about Eric Snow, Marbury is not Eric Snow. Eric Snow is a defender and makes alot of defensive plays, that is what he does. Marbury is an offensive player that shot's under 40 percent, can't play off the ball and doesn't run the team at a high level. Who doesn't understand what??? MARBURY IS PLAYING WORST THEN NATE AND CRAWFORD OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY, what more needs to be said??? Our team deffers to a player playing at the level of a bench player!!!!!!!! What more needs to be understood???? THe guy stinks...


[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 1:20 PM]

Not according to his coach...Two games ago, Zeke said that Marbs has been his best perimeter defender on the Stephen A. Smith show...But hell, we all know how wrong Zeke was when said he knew more about the game than the fans...

all I know is that Marb is showing MUCH more effort on D. But he still aint stoppin' anyone.

Posted by martin:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by nixluva:

ANJI if you have a tape of the game go WATCH IT AGAIN! Cuz clearly your understanding of what's happening on the court is off. Just count how many times Steph has to fight over a pick and then see how many times another Knick defender actually steps over to help shut down the lane. It almost NEVER happens and that's why our D stinks. No guard can stop another guard one on one, especially when he get's solid picks. You want the impossible from STeph. He's been hustling on D for a good while now, but it doesn't work if you don't play good TEAM DEFENSE. This is why we're waiting for Jared and Frye to come back. Not that they'll make us better all by themselves, but it's the change in the lineup that can have a positive effect. STeph, Q, Jared, Lee and Curry or Steph, Jamal, Q, Jared and Curry and then eventually Steph, Q, Jared, Frye and Curry are all much better defensive units than what we have right now. We'll be able to cover more ground and we'll have more length. This should help. We won't be a top defensive team, but then we don't have to be. We just want to improve enough to hold teams scoring down. We know we can score at a very efficient rate, but if we can keep teams from going off, we'll win more games.

Wha?????

Marbury Gets detroyed BY MO williams and you giving him a moral win???? Like he is Mardy Collins, LOL. Count how many times he fight's over a screen, He hustles???? THat's what you say about Eric Snow, Marbury is not Eric Snow. Eric Snow is a defender and makes alot of defensive plays, that is what he does. Marbury is an offensive player that shot's under 40 percent, can't play off the ball and doesn't run the team at a high level. Who doesn't understand what??? MARBURY IS PLAYING WORST THEN NATE AND CRAWFORD OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY, what more needs to be said??? Our team deffers to a player playing at the level of a bench player!!!!!!!! What more needs to be understood???? THe guy stinks...


[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 1:20 PM]

Not according to his coach...Two games ago, Zeke said that Marbs has been his best perimeter defender on the Stephen A. Smith show...But hell, we all know how wrong Zeke was when said he knew more about the game than the fans...

all I know is that Marb is showing MUCH more effort on D. But he still aint stoppin' anyone.

Show me the guard who is stopping anyone...Including the much heralded Eric Snow...

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by martin:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by nixluva:

ANJI if you have a tape of the game go WATCH IT AGAIN! Cuz clearly your understanding of what's happening on the court is off. Just count how many times Steph has to fight over a pick and then see how many times another Knick defender actually steps over to help shut down the lane. It almost NEVER happens and that's why our D stinks. No guard can stop another guard one on one, especially when he get's solid picks. You want the impossible from STeph. He's been hustling on D for a good while now, but it doesn't work if you don't play good TEAM DEFENSE. This is why we're waiting for Jared and Frye to come back. Not that they'll make us better all by themselves, but it's the change in the lineup that can have a positive effect. STeph, Q, Jared, Lee and Curry or Steph, Jamal, Q, Jared and Curry and then eventually Steph, Q, Jared, Frye and Curry are all much better defensive units than what we have right now. We'll be able to cover more ground and we'll have more length. This should help. We won't be a top defensive team, but then we don't have to be. We just want to improve enough to hold teams scoring down. We know we can score at a very efficient rate, but if we can keep teams from going off, we'll win more games.

Wha?????

Marbury Gets detroyed BY MO williams and you giving him a moral win???? Like he is Mardy Collins, LOL. Count how many times he fight's over a screen, He hustles???? THat's what you say about Eric Snow, Marbury is not Eric Snow. Eric Snow is a defender and makes alot of defensive plays, that is what he does. Marbury is an offensive player that shot's under 40 percent, can't play off the ball and doesn't run the team at a high level. Who doesn't understand what??? MARBURY IS PLAYING WORST THEN NATE AND CRAWFORD OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY, what more needs to be said??? Our team deffers to a player playing at the level of a bench player!!!!!!!! What more needs to be understood???? THe guy stinks...


[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 1:20 PM]

Not according to his coach...Two games ago, Zeke said that Marbs has been his best perimeter defender on the Stephen A. Smith show...But hell, we all know how wrong Zeke was when said he knew more about the game than the fans...

all I know is that Marb is showing MUCH more effort on D. But he still aint stoppin' anyone.

Show me the guard who is stopping anyone...Including the much heralded Eric Snow...

Q. That didn't take me long.

Q is putting the clamps down on a LOT of top tier talent. And don't take posts literally. No one is stopping Redd or LeBron or Kobe or any guy like that... but slowing them down and making them work both end? Sure. Marbury is making Chucky Atkins and the like look like Kobe.

Come on..Chucky Atkins got off the first game of the season...I have seen many more games where Marbs has played some stellar D but he doesn't get the credit for it...Q has played some good D as well...But Marbs has worked just as hard if not harder on defense in the games that I have seen(all of them)...

A lot of it is perception as well...If a guard gets by Marbs and scores then immediately someone starts a thread here...When he makes good defensive plays it goes unnoticed...Mo Williams got hot with Marbs guarding then he absolutely torched Nate and Craw...But in this very thread, Marbs gets the blame even though he left with an injury...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-10-2006 2:55 PM]

Posted by Anji:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by nixluva:

ANJI if you have a tape of the game go WATCH IT AGAIN! Cuz clearly your understanding of what's happening on the court is off. Just count how many times Steph has to fight over a pick and then see how many times another Knick defender actually steps over to help shut down the lane. It almost NEVER happens and that's why our D stinks. No guard can stop another guard one on one, especially when he get's solid picks. You want the impossible from STeph. He's been hustling on D for a good while now, but it doesn't work if you don't play good TEAM DEFENSE. This is why we're waiting for Jared and Frye to come back. Not that they'll make us better all by themselves, but it's the change in the lineup that can have a positive effect. STeph, Q, Jared, Lee and Curry or Steph, Jamal, Q, Jared and Curry and then eventually Steph, Q, Jared, Frye and Curry are all much better defensive units than what we have right now. We'll be able to cover more ground and we'll have more length. This should help. We won't be a top defensive team, but then we don't have to be. We just want to improve enough to hold teams scoring down. We know we can score at a very efficient rate, but if we can keep teams from going off, we'll win more games.

Wha?????

Marbury Gets detroyed BY MO williams and you giving him a moral win???? Like he is Mardy Collins, LOL. Count how many times he fight's over a screen, He hustles???? THat's what you say about Eric Snow, Marbury is not Eric Snow. Eric Snow is a defender and makes alot of defensive plays, that is what he does. Marbury is an offensive player that shot's under 40 percent, can't play off the ball and doesn't run the team at a high level. Who doesn't understand what??? MARBURY IS PLAYING WORST THEN NATE AND CRAWFORD OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY, what more needs to be said??? Our team deffers to a player playing at the level of a bench player!!!!!!!! What more needs to be understood???? THe guy stinks...


[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 1:20 PM]

Not according to his coach...Two games ago, Zeke said that Marbs has been his best perimeter defender on the Stephen A. Smith show...But hell, we all know how wrong Zeke was when said he knew more about the game than the fans...

Isiah also is going to bench Lee for Frye, don't act like politics don't play a major roll in Isiahs thinking. Marbury is Overall a negative. Nomatter how good anybody believes Marburys Defense is/ effort is, can anybody say it is good enough to shoot under 30 percent, to not run the offense the best out of our four guards, to not be able to play off the ball, to not be a leader on the team????? Is it good enough to have the whole team difer to him, or for him to get out scored by 15-25 points every single game????

Is it???? DO I even need an answer???

[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 2:48 PM]

First of all, if Isiah was concerned about politics then Lee would be the starting PF... He has become a favorite of Knick fans and the press...I personally feel the Frye should start but that is another post for another thread...Who exactly on this team defers to Marbury???...U may not want to except it, but no other guard runs the team as well as he does...Not sure what else to say...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-10-2006 3:56 PM]

Marbury is not playing as well as he should or could, but he is not the problem. He is working hard on defense and the lack of defense on this team is due to an overall breakdown in the team defensive rotations, not simply because "Marbury sucks". Don't get me wrong, this team would be helped immensely if Marbury would take over a little more and make sure that Curry and Q got their shots. But I don't think you can say the team is better without Marbury in the sense that this team plays better without him (of course the team in general would be better off without his contract on the books). Clearly, Nate is not ready to be the head PG and I have concerns with Crawford running the team because he is too prone to making simply boneheaded plays. I like how IT uses Crawford to finish because in tight fourth quarters when teams are really going to be playing tight defense, you need that player than can make those difficult fadeaways and pullup jumpers and Crawford can do that and also has the ability to pass and create something for Eddy. Francise is playing well but IMO is a worse defensive player than Marbury. I think the team needs Marbury, but it also needs Marbury to play better than he has. But he is playing better than at the start of the season. Hopefully, he can continue to improve and fully support the shift to Curry as the feature of the offense.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by nixluva:

ANJI if you have a tape of the game go WATCH IT AGAIN! Cuz clearly your understanding of what's happening on the court is off. Just count how many times Steph has to fight over a pick and then see how many times another Knick defender actually steps over to help shut down the lane. It almost NEVER happens and that's why our D stinks. No guard can stop another guard one on one, especially when he get's solid picks. You want the impossible from STeph. He's been hustling on D for a good while now, but it doesn't work if you don't play good TEAM DEFENSE. This is why we're waiting for Jared and Frye to come back. Not that they'll make us better all by themselves, but it's the change in the lineup that can have a positive effect. STeph, Q, Jared, Lee and Curry or Steph, Jamal, Q, Jared and Curry and then eventually Steph, Q, Jared, Frye and Curry are all much better defensive units than what we have right now. We'll be able to cover more ground and we'll have more length. This should help. We won't be a top defensive team, but then we don't have to be. We just want to improve enough to hold teams scoring down. We know we can score at a very efficient rate, but if we can keep teams from going off, we'll win more games.

Wha?????

Marbury Gets detroyed BY MO williams and you giving him a moral win???? Like he is Mardy Collins, LOL. Count how many times he fight's over a screen, He hustles???? THat's what you say about Eric Snow, Marbury is not Eric Snow. Eric Snow is a defender and makes alot of defensive plays, that is what he does. Marbury is an offensive player that shot's under 40 percent, can't play off the ball and doesn't run the team at a high level. Who doesn't understand what??? MARBURY IS PLAYING WORST THEN NATE AND CRAWFORD OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY, what more needs to be said??? Our team deffers to a player playing at the level of a bench player!!!!!!!! What more needs to be understood???? THe guy stinks...


[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 1:20 PM]

Not according to his coach...Two games ago, Zeke said that Marbs has been his best perimeter defender on the Stephen A. Smith show...But hell, we all know how wrong Zeke was when said he knew more about the game than the fans...

Isiah also is going to bench Lee for Frye, don't act like politics don't play a major roll in Isiahs thinking. Marbury is Overall a negative. Nomatter how good anybody believes Marburys Defense is/ effort is, can anybody say it is good enough to shoot under 30 percent, to not run the offense the best out of our four guards, to not be able to play off the ball, to not be a leader on the team????? Is it good enough to have the whole team difer to him, or for him to get out scored by 15-25 points every single game????

Is it???? DO I even need an answer???

[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 2:48 PM]

First of all, if Isiah was concerned about politics then Lee would be the starting PF... He has become a favorite of Knick fans and the press...I personally feel the Frye should start but that is another post for another thread...Who exactly on this team defers to Marbury???...U may not want to except it, but no other guard runs the team as well as he does...Not sure what else to say...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-10-2006 3:56 PM]

Huh??? YOu know that doesn't make any sense at all. Is FRanBury a Press and fan favorite???? Is NAte a Fan and pess favorite???? Was Curry a fan and press favorite. Comeon DOg, you know that Politics is only about Dolan. 7th pick will get every chance to work over the 30thpick, 30 million dollar back court will get every chance to work. Jackie BUtler is off the team because Jerome James makes 5million a year, come on man...........

[Edited by - anji on 12-10-2006 4:55 PM]

i couldn't agree more... just posted this on another thread:

if you notice the team usually plays w/better energy & synergy when Marbury & Francis are off the floor... Marbury had a nice assist game going before he got kicked in the wrist last game, but i loved what i saw out of Jamal when he was orchestrating the game... he was scoring & dishing & doing basically what we all want to see out of a starting PG... i really think he's best off starting at PG for this team... the chemistry he has w/Eddy Curry is undeniable.

Jamal's averaging 22 ppg as a starter this year & shooting a much higher percentage... i have no idea why you think he's better off as a 6th man off the bench.

the best & most realistic option for this team is to buy out Marbury & then trade Francis & Frye for a shotblocking PF imo... the question is will Dolan be willing to swallow Marbury's contract? i don't think he will as long as Isiah is the GM here... if he's buying out Marbury it's very likely Isiah is following him out the door as well... i think Dolan expects Isiah to win w/what he has right now since he's the one who spent all of Dolan's dollars to bring them here to begin with (& justifiably so obviously).

as for Jamal, i thought he played the best basketball of his career last season when he was asked to be an orchestrator for this team by LB... he was making smart decisions w/the ball & really cut down on taking all those ill-advised shots... when he's started this season he's looked alot more comfortable & also has been a much more efficient scorer as well... i think starting him as the PG, getting rid of Marbury (who is no longer a viable scoring threat at this point), & trading Francis is the best course of action to take if you want to see real progress.

Posted by TMS:

Jamal's averaging 22 ppg as a starter this year & shooting a much higher percentage... i have no idea why you think he's better off as a 6th man off the bench.

That's a good point. He seems uncomfortable and makes poor decisions as a bench player. I said I preferred him off the bench simply because he's a below average NBA starter and I'd want a better player starting (especially at PG).