Posted by playa2:
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:
The demise of the Knicks started with Ewing getting traded for Tknight, Luc Longley and Glen Rice! What a ridicuous deal!
Yes, JVG got the job because of Ewing. However, when he got it, he did do a pretty good job with the team. Yes, H20 hit the shot, but the 8th seed that year played the 1 even for the whole series and that my friend, had SOMETHING to do with coaching.
This obsession is really bad man.
You admitted it yourself, Ewing gave Jeff the job STOP RIGHT THERE.
This is why we had no future with ewing and jeff, You need a certain type of players to play vangundy's style we fired the guy who knew our future (grunfeld). Jeff needed a soft gm who wouldn't challenge him, this is why we picked up Laydum.
This isn't an obsession, this is a love for the team I care about.
I wanted this team to continue to win after ewing left, not spiral down hill every yr.
It's about Vision and the knicks needed that back then and they need it now.
Do you like where we are now ?
Nellie and Grunfeld were our future, ewing and vangundy wasn't. Wake up and let go of your vangundy blanket.
As a knick fan what did you care about more a player and coach or the knicks proactive direction for the future ?
You too Gony have been duped by the politics of MSG, Isiah's continuing the legacy of in house STUPOR !
[Edited by - playa2 on 12-11-2006 00:57]
I have always admitted that Ewing got JVG the job, again SO WHAT? Kidd got Frank the job too. so what? How do you think coached get hired in the NBA? You got to know someone. To think otherwise is just foolish.
As for being duped. Dolan doesn't dupe me and he is much more the reason for NY's decline than anything JVG did. Dolan got rid of Checketts. Dolan kept Layden. Dolan is the biggest reason for the decline.
As for the current Knicks, I am not convinced they cannot be good. IT has done a better job than Layden as far as getting talent. The chemistry is not right and I think marbury has to go, but the team has players other teams would want.
The year after Ewing NY went 48-34! Still pretty darn good and JVG adapted to play without him. The problem was Dolan coming in and changing things. Dolan was in charge and not JVG. Basketball and winning was not the number one thing anymore. Filling seats and $$ were. So JVG left. Did I like it? Hell no. We have not been the same team since!
To say that IF NY chose Nelson and Grunfeld over JVG they would not be in this mess is ridiculous. Tell me, how many championships have Nelson and Grunfeld won? How many finals have they made? Same answer, ZERO!!!! In fact, after Neslon left, the Mavericks made the finals. He may have built the team like he did the first time in GS, but in the end, he could not bring it home. As for Grunfeld, I like Ernie. I have always been an Ernie fan, especially the Ernie and Bernie show. But as a Gm his record is mixed and right now he is sticking with a loser coach, imo.
To sum up, IF this, IF that, whatever. The Knicks are in a hole because of the horrible Ewing deal and the Layden and Dolan trying to make up for it. While JVG was here the team was still good. They should have let Ewing retire a Knick and then used the cap space to rebuild.
That is it. TO blame a very good NBA coach is just stupid.
