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Solace
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12/7/2006  11:50 AM
Posted by bigbeast:

Frye was not projected to be drafted late in the first round. He was definitely a lotto pick.

Two months before the draft, Frye was projected in the late 20s on most polls. Isiah's guarantee on the first player he saw in a workout is what bumped Frye up to lottery. Let's get the facts straight.
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12/7/2006  12:20 PM
You give me 20 teams he starts for, I'll go off the top of my head and say he doesn't start for

Nets
Mavs
Spurs
Suns
Lakers
Warriors
Utah
Detriot
Orlando
Bobcats
Clippers
Bucks
Pacers
Bulls (Deng, AN starting now wouldn't play because of his defense)
Wizards

Would start
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Sixers?
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12/7/2006  12:43 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

Frye was not projected to be drafted late in the first round. He was definitely a lotto pick.

Two months before the draft, Frye was projected in the late 20s on most polls. Isiah's guarantee on the first player he saw in a workout is what bumped Frye up to lottery. Let's get the facts straight.

Actually, what bumped him up was that he played real well in the NCAA tournament. Pre draft workouts couldn't really of had an effect, b/c Isiah told Frye not to attend any. I think the only team thad showed some interest in Frye was Utah?
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12/7/2006  12:45 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

Frye was not projected to be drafted late in the first round. He was definitely a lotto pick.

Two months before the draft, Frye was projected in the late 20s on most polls. Isiah's guarantee on the first player he saw in a workout is what bumped Frye up to lottery. Let's get the facts straight.

Actually, what bumped him up was that he played real well in the NCAA tournament. Pre draft workouts couldn't really of had an effect, b/c Isiah told Frye not to attend any. I think the only team thad showed some interest in Frye was Utah?

He did have a few workouts, but then canceled all the rest. Players get bumped up on hype all the time. Look at Mike Dunleavy. Isiah wanting Frye made Frye valuable. Even after the tourney, he was still projected in the 20s.
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12/7/2006  1:23 PM
MS great find I've always felt that people sometimes over-hype Isiah's draft picks.
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12/7/2006  1:35 PM
No problem with his drafting, but this notion that he is some genius is far overblown.....

Zeke also wanted Eddie Robinson bad, another character player, I think he brings in people that mirror himself, they just don't have a smile and positive attitude that fools anyone...
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12/7/2006  1:37 PM
this is dumb. No GM executes every draft to perfection. Also are you saying its Isiah's fault McGrady has been injury prone? Thats assanine. Isiah's picks turn out to be pretty good players. Jury is still out on most of the Knicks, but at the worst most are certainly steady rotation players, which isnt bad in itself. I thought he could have done better with the Frye and Balkman picks but those two can at least play. On a flip side I thougt Lampe was coup when he fell to us (lottery projected) and he was a total bust.

Isiah did a very good job in Tor (with the draft). He's done a good job with Ariza, Frye, Nate, Lee, Collins, Balkman, Butler and Collins. Over all when you consider the picks thats a solid group.

His trades, FA signings and coachs have been bad to the extreme of weird.

With so many things to rip Isiah on why choose this? Its nitpicking. Who's Jerry West drafted for Memphis? Where are his stars?

I kill Isiah for trading away the chance to draft a star for Eddy "I'm really hungry" Curry.
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12/7/2006  1:37 PM
I didn't realize that Jack was taken after Nate that's crazy I would have never takene Nate if that guy was available. At least Jack can turn into a starting point guard whereas Nate its almost impossible to start because he doesn't distribute nearly enough and of course his size is always a factor.
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12/7/2006  1:40 PM
Here Frye is 10.
http://www.docsports.com/2005-nba-mock-draft.html

Here 1 guy projects him at 19, another at 21, the other 3 have him dropping no later than 10.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_13106.shtml

Here Channing is 8.
http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2005

Here Frye is 18.
http://www.globalsportsnetwork.com/Basketball/2005-NBA-Mock-Draft.html

June 27, Frye at 8.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/06/27/mock.draft/index.html

June 22nd. ESPNInsider, Hollinger.
Frye goes #6.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2091921&num=2
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12/7/2006  1:59 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Here Frye is 10.
http://www.docsports.com/2005-nba-mock-draft.html

Here 1 guy projects him at 19, another at 21, the other 3 have him dropping no later than 10.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_13106.shtml

Here Channing is 8.
http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2005

Here Frye is 18.
http://www.globalsportsnetwork.com/Basketball/2005-NBA-Mock-Draft.html

June 27, Frye at 8.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/06/27/mock.draft/index.html

June 22nd. ESPNInsider, Hollinger.
Frye goes #6.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2091921&num=2

Most of your mock drafts show DAYS before the draft actually happened. I was talking MONTHS. Ugh.
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12/7/2006  3:14 PM
Posted by fishmike:

With so many things to rip Isiah on why choose this? Its nitpicking.

nitpicking is exactly what it is... i have no problem killing Isiah for some of the dumb trades he's made, but bashing him because he hasn't yet drafted a superstar for this team is ridiculous when he's only used 1 #8 pick to take Channing Frye, who last year was 1 of the best looking rookies of the entire draft class, & all the rest of his picks have been late 1st round & after, most of whom have turned out to be solid players at the very least... who the hell expects a GM to draft a star player w/picks in the 20's & later? is there ANY GM in the NBA w/a reputation for finding these diamonds in the rough so late in the draft?
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12/7/2006  3:15 PM
i don't like the color of his suits. usually a man of that complexion should stay away from brown and tan but that's all he wears. where's anucha when you need her?
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12/7/2006  3:16 PM
Its funny even though he has made a nice contribution to the team that no one had Robinson as a first round pick in last years draft......

He takes players too high when he could get them late, I think the same was true with Balkman
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12/7/2006  4:34 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by joec32033:

Here Frye is 10.
http://www.docsports.com/2005-nba-mock-draft.html

Here 1 guy projects him at 19, another at 21, the other 3 have him dropping no later than 10.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_13106.shtml

Here Channing is 8.
http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2005

Here Frye is 18.
http://www.globalsportsnetwork.com/Basketball/2005-NBA-Mock-Draft.html

June 27, Frye at 8.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/06/27/mock.draft/index.html

June 22nd. ESPNInsider, Hollinger.
Frye goes #6.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2091921&num=2

Most of your mock drafts show DAYS before the draft actually happened. I was talking MONTHS. Ugh.

Joe (thanks for the info, I was gonna post some proof when I got hime from work) proves that Frye was indeed projected to be lotto by most mock drafts.

Saying he wasn't a lotto pick months before makes no sense. so much changes in a short period of time. Frye had a great Tournament which sent his stock skyrocketing.

Alot can change just days before the draft. Workouts, predraft camps etc. It works both ways in terms of some players freefall just days before (Marcus Williams, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis etc)

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12/7/2006  4:37 PM
Posted by MS:

Its funny even though he has made a nice contribution to the team that no one had Robinson as a first round pick in last years draft......

He takes players too high when he could get them late, I think the same was true with Balkman

My point exactly.
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12/8/2006  1:13 AM
Posted by fishmike:

this is dumb. No GM executes every draft to perfection. Also are you saying its Isiah's fault McGrady has been injury prone? Thats assanine. Isiah's picks turn out to be pretty good players. Jury is still out on most of the Knicks, but at the worst most are certainly steady rotation players, which isnt bad in itself. I thought he could have done better with the Frye and Balkman picks but those two can at least play. On a flip side I thougt Lampe was coup when he fell to us (lottery projected) and he was a total bust.

Isiah did a very good job in Tor (with the draft). He's done a good job with Ariza, Frye, Nate, Lee, Collins, Balkman, Butler and Collins. Over all when you consider the picks thats a solid group.

His trades, FA signings and coachs have been bad to the extreme of weird.

With so many things to rip Isiah on why choose this? Its nitpicking. Who's Jerry West drafted for Memphis? Where are his stars?

I kill Isiah for trading away the chance to draft a star for Eddy "I'm really hungry" Curry.

I agree, this is dumb, Isiah has done a really good job at drafting talent. I found it odd that he had Marcus camby highlightes. I mean as if Isiah should be faulted at taking camby over Kerry Kittles. Camby is more than a solid pro right now.. Actually I would love to have him back, and I know about 20 other teams that would love to have him too....
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12/8/2006  1:18 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by MS:

Its funny even though he has made a nice contribution to the team that no one had Robinson as a first round pick in last years draft......

He takes players too high when he could get them late, I think the same was true with Balkman

My point exactly.

what point? every GM does that? If you like a player and think he is a first round talent, you take him when you have the chance to pick.... After the fact, don't you think that Dampier could of been taken later? of course!
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12/8/2006  5:04 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by joec32033:

Here Frye is 10.
http://www.docsports.com/2005-nba-mock-draft.html

Here 1 guy projects him at 19, another at 21, the other 3 have him dropping no later than 10.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_13106.shtml

Here Channing is 8.
http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2005

Here Frye is 18.
http://www.globalsportsnetwork.com/Basketball/2005-NBA-Mock-Draft.html

June 27, Frye at 8.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/06/27/mock.draft/index.html

June 22nd. ESPNInsider, Hollinger.
Frye goes #6.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2091921&num=2

Most of your mock drafts show DAYS before the draft actually happened. I was talking MONTHS. Ugh.

Point being? I interpret this as Frye being all over the board down to the draft. I didn't post this to prove anything one way or another, just posting some general info that actually proves BOTH points. Either way, feel free to try to find mock drafts "months" before the draft. I know I tried, and to find even dependable ones(not mocks that some 13 yr old made up in his basement) was quite a chore.
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12/8/2006  6:06 AM
come on give me someone he has drafted with the knicks has been considerd a bust...he trusted lee and took some doubts now balkman we know what happened......he has a greatdraft record but a horrible gm....
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12/8/2006  8:39 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by MS:

Its funny even though he has made a nice contribution to the team that no one had Robinson as a first round pick in last years draft......

He takes players too high when he could get them late, I think the same was true with Balkman

My point exactly.

what point? every GM does that? If you like a player and think he is a first round talent, you take him when you have the chance to pick.... After the fact, don't you think that Dampier could of been taken later? of course!

Dampier?

This wasn't about every other GM. This was about Isiah. Sometimes he reaches down to get the player he wants. Not all GMs do that. It has its positives and its negatives, as we've seen.
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