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Who Had Arenas and Who Had Jamison?
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holfresh
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12/7/2006  12:07 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

it's okay, when jeffries comes back he's gonna guard everyone at once.

I don't think everyone was getting off last night...Just two guys...

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12/7/2006  12:11 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:

it's okay, when jeffries comes back he's gonna guard everyone at once.

I don't think everyone was getting off last night...Just two guys...



Yes, though it's a different 2 guys every night. Though one is usually a PG, and the other someone in the front court.

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12/7/2006  12:12 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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holfresh - gracias

Who do you put on Jamison?

Or, who got Tayshaun?

I think the Wizards were 12-14 from the three point line at one point last night...I think thats where JJ1 would help...I'm not saying that anyone can shut down Arenas or Jamison sometimes..But I hand in the face does the trick sometimes...But last night I don't think even a hand in the face would have made a difference...It's just one of those games where the Wizards were in the zone..It just seems like everyone is in the zone against the Knicks...


I agree about last night- we could have put bowen, rodman, wallace, russel and camby out there and I think Washington still shoots lights out.

But, teams are getting psyched about playing the knicks- they think the knicks are a bad perimeter team (true) and that they are going to get open looks. And it just builds a lot of confidence in the opponent.

Until we put out a bunch of players that can get over screens and be solid 1 on 1 defenders, strong outside shooting teams are going to get a lot of confidence when they step on the floor.
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12/7/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:

it's okay, when jeffries comes back he's gonna guard everyone at once.

I don't think everyone was getting off last night...Just two guys...



Yes, though it's a different 2 guys every night. Though one is usually a PG, and the other someone in the front court.

You can say it, it's usually the PF getting off...

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12/7/2006  1:45 PM

I might get a lot of tomatoes thrown my way over this comment but I think Balkman wouldn't even be in the NBA if he played on any other team. I just think the attributes he brings to the table are so readily available with today's players. How many guys walking around are athletic and quick? You can probably find a guy on most D-league teams with similar abilites. He will always be a liability by being a zero scoring threat.

Lee is definetly a strong role player great rebounder and hustler. On defense I think he tries hard but is unable to shut-down the better scorers at his position.
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12/7/2006  2:02 PM
Balkman is a rookie player showing he knows how to play the game. He is not just some jumping freak athlete. If you pay attention to how he plays, you'll notice he has a good understanding of the game. The only thing he is lacking is any kind of jumper, but if he had one, he woudl be in the lottery.

That aside, Jamison is a bad matchup for Lee as Lee is not a good enogh man to man defender yet. One of the reasons he might not be ready to start, on a good team that is. Considering all our players suckon defense, he should be starting.

The reason there are so many open 3's is because our guards are broken down on regular baisis and rotations are late, or people don't how in pick and rolls. Thats bad team defense, coupled with bad guard defesne. You can't put that on one player, even though the guards are the main culprits.
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12/7/2006  2:16 PM
Posted by bitty41:


I might get a lot of tomatoes thrown my way over this comment but I think Balkman wouldn't even be in the NBA if he played on any other team. I just think the attributes he brings to the table are so readily available with today's players. How many guys walking around are athletic and quick? You can probably find a guy on most D-league teams with similar abilites. He will always be a liability by being a zero scoring threat.

Lee is definetly a strong role player great rebounder and hustler. On defense I think he tries hard but is unable to shut-down the better scorers at his position.


you, my dear, are gully.
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12/7/2006  2:22 PM
Posted by bitty41:


I might get a lot of tomatoes thrown my way over this comment but I think Balkman wouldn't even be in the NBA if he played on any other team. I just think the attributes he brings to the table are so readily available with today's players. How many guys walking around are athletic and quick? You can probably find a guy on most D-league teams with similar abilites. He will always be a liability by being a zero scoring threat.

Lee is definetly a strong role player great rebounder and hustler. On defense I think he tries hard but is unable to shut-down the better scorers at his position.

I don't agree with that...I think with his athletic skills he can be good defensively...He doesn't try...I'm not sure if he is just trying to pile up rebounding stats, but he is always under the basket and not on his man...Putting a hand in someone's face doesn't take a lot of effort...

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12/7/2006  2:41 PM
holfresh - if you benched Lee for sluggish perimeter defense, can Jeffries provide enough coverage inside to make up his rebounds?

In my humble opinion, irrelvant negative comments about Eddy Curry aside, the Knicks challenge on defense starts with the perimeter.

If our guards are notoriously slow to react, pressure the ball or defend the passing lanes, it puts more attention on the forwards to maintain spacing with the plethora of fluid big men, WITH decent jumpers, the Knicks will face.

We've seen what Tayshaun did. Michael Redd is already salivating over the shooters backgroung at The Garden.

Who checks Micheal Redd?




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12/7/2006  2:42 PM
who got Ruben?
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12/7/2006  2:52 PM
>>Yes, though it's a different 2 guys every night. Though one is usually a PG, and the other someone in the front court.

BlueSeats - there IS a pattern.

what would you project the best Knicks defensive shift to be?

is that a starting point?
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12/7/2006  2:52 PM
and please people, although I have a serious crush on David Lee, let's look at each players relative value on defense without the rosy tints
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12/7/2006  2:53 PM
Posted by misterearl:

what would you project the best Knicks defensive shift to be?

is that a starting point?

Ewing, Oakley, Mason, Starks and Harper?
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12/7/2006  2:57 PM
Solace - the operative word is "pro-ject"

Look forward silly. Besides, I'm taking Richie Guerin or Dean Meminger over Starks on defense.

Fewer silly technical fouls.



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12/7/2006  3:01 PM
Ok fine.

I think our optimal defensive rotation is:

C-Kelvin Cato
PF-Malik Rose
SF-Jared Jeffries
SG-Quentin Richardson
PG-Renaldo Balkman

But since you would never play Balkman at PG, take two of three of the Jeffries, Q, Balkman group and put Mardy Collins at point.
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12/7/2006  3:21 PM
What about Balkman at off guard and Mardy Collins at the point?

I like Quentin but he is a classic tweener. Or do you REALLY want to put him on Carmelo?

How long an adjustment period with all Yoots could you live with until more help arrived?
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12/7/2006  3:22 PM
Mailk Rose?

Yeesh
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12/7/2006  3:57 PM

Earl let me think about this, I have to hop but lets just say we don't have MEN on this roster...The toughest guy on this team is coaching it...
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12/7/2006  4:23 PM
mardy on arenas isnt a good idea. mardy may have potential as a defender but hes too inexperienced right now.

anyway theres no reason to get this worked up on this issue, cuase we're just not a good defensive team right now. when it comes to what happened last night, u just have to do the best you can with what you have. all in all i would say last night was probably more isiah's fualt than anyone elses becuase in that situation i thihnk he should have gone to greater measures to make sure arenas was slowed down.



[Edited by - slimpack on 12-07-2006 4:45 PM]
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12/7/2006  4:43 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>>Yes, though it's a different 2 guys every night. Though one is usually a PG, and the other someone in the front court.

BlueSeats - there IS a pattern.

what would you project the best Knicks defensive shift to be?

is that a starting point?


It's a great question that has no easy answer. The problem is, of our 5 starters only Q is playing good defense, and as of a week or two ago he was actually projected to be out of the lineup upon Jeffries return.

So all I can say is, on a team with VERY few two-way players, and a coach with a lot of salaries and acquisitions to justify, this is no easy feat to solve. Adding defenders can certainly help, but I'm less confident in the variety that add little to no offense. What we need is not tricks and twists to our rotations, what we need is guys who can own a position. And when I say "own" I don't mean to embarrass his opponent (lets no go overboard) I just mean to be better than a tweener, and/or to be the best guy on the team at that position.

Far too many of our guys are so deficient at one component of the game or another it's always a scramble to keep them from being exposed.

That said, our second unit constantly proves that hustle and heart will outperform unrealized potential 90% of the time.

First order of business is at the PG spot. We're too lacking at both sides of the court at that position. On offense we need one who can execute sets and distribute with prudence. That mean keeping everyone involved, feeding the hot hand, rewarding steals and blocks, managing the clock and tempo, etc. Barring that (and I know how hard it is to find both) we need a guy who defends at that position. That's where the offense initiates. The ability to pressure the ball, take time off the clock, confuse the offense, inhibit the pick and roll, etc, is of near equal value. Getting so little at both sides of the position has been disastrous.

A good perimeter defender (and I'd guess Balkman is better than JJ2, though I can't say for sure) would come next. I can live with scorers getting unconscious, like last night, but the job done the prior game against Toronto, where guys could count to five before a defender would get to them, was pathetic.

Lastly we need a shot blocker.

Lets remember, offenses all start on the perimeter and that's we defense must begin.

But until all that is accomplished, EVERYONE on the floor needs to toughen up, body up on their man, take the charge, take the elbow, box out, dive on the floor, run to the perimeter, whatever it takes to make the opponent uncomfortable out there. Instead of striking fear in our opponents we're becoming an elixir for all that ails them. Struggling teams are trying to book appointments at MSG like we're an all-inclusive spa.
Who Had Arenas and Who Had Jamison?

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