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misterearl
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12/8/2006  3:05 PM
djsu - I thought Connie was positioning for Commisioner of The NFL

Isn't Bud Selig retiring

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12/8/2006  3:45 PM
The comparison to Bush is Dolan not Isiah.
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12/8/2006  3:52 PM
So Isiah would be...Rumsfeld?
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12/8/2006  4:00 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

So Isiah would be...Rumsfeld?

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12/9/2006  12:05 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

Arkrud-no offense at all so don't take it that way, but how does this thread not gat ANY complaints about it when the Isiah-George Bush Comparison thread got so many-and the latter didn't even mention Iraq?
I didn't see this one joe but shame on you and gunsnewing for trying to suggest there is some kind of bias. Even if there is a bias of some sort, more traffic on your thread generally means a good thing. If someone responds on your thread, it means you have more credibility than those that dont get any replies.

I am surprised, especially with your replies to me guns. Since you have known me so long, I would expect to hear something more meaningful than the "UK Po-Po see Briggs name" crap. Seriously, Briggs is not a problem on this forum. Its you and joec32033 that have no no direction and choose to spread hate. How is that for a reply?

Silver, I think if I was talking to you I would be impressed with "that reply" but I was making an honest observation. I didn't cast any assumptions of any bias. just looking at the posts counts.

Be a little more careful who you stereotype about spreading hate. From what I've seen, I haven't been the one getting hypersensitive to just about every post that I don't agree with.
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12/9/2006  1:00 AM
Martin is right. We need to make better use of smileys to convey nuance.
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12/10/2006  3:53 PM
arkrud - what if the Knicks beat the Celtics on Monday night?

How can you comment on what type of "mess" the Knicks are with two important 6'11 players missing significant playing time?

Nah, let's just prepare the Fire Isiah chants anyway


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[Edited by - misterearl on 12-10-2006 3:55 PM]
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12/10/2006  4:15 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - what if the Knicks beat the Celtics on Monday night?

How can you comment on what type of "mess" the Knicks are with two important 6'11 players missing significant playing time?

Nah, let's just prepare the Fire Isiah chants anyway


Bootled from another alternative universe

"Maybe you guys should write down a list of whiney categories you're going judge Isiah on. Start with "said something I didn't like" and move up to "short rotations". Maybe "won the damn game" will find itself in there, somewhere, but I doubt it..." - copyright philc



[Edited by - misterearl on 12-10-2006 3:55 PM]

8-14. 36% winning percentage. And don't give me that second in the Atlantic crap. It's a weak division.
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12/10/2006  4:33 PM
The last thing this team needs right now is for IT to get fired. We have basically a new team with very young players. The new GM and coach (ssuming IT is fired at the end) will need to have an idea of what these young players can do. Unlike LB, IT is fully intent on showing what the young players can do. It might not work, but we will at least have a realistic idea of what our players are capable of and can then make sound decisions on who should be traded and who should stay. We need a year of evaluation and that is this year. I say let IT finish the season.
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12/10/2006  4:42 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - what if the Knicks beat the Celtics on Monday night?

How can you comment on what type of "mess" the Knicks are with two important 6'11 players missing significant playing time?

Nah, let's just prepare the Fire Isiah chants anyway


Bootled from another alternative universe

"Maybe you guys should write down a list of whiney categories you're going judge Isiah on. Start with "said something I didn't like" and move up to "short rotations". Maybe "won the damn game" will find itself in there, somewhere, but I doubt it..." - copyright philc



[Edited by - misterearl on 12-10-2006 3:55 PM]

8-14. 36% winning percentage. And don't give me that second in the Atlantic crap. It's a weak division.

How much credit do you give Isiah for Eddy's potential ascendancy among NBA centers?
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12/10/2006  5:04 PM
Anyone can keep forcing the ball to Curry regardless of the detriment that it does to everyone else's games. How's that working out for Frye's game to be left out of the offense? How's that working for Marbury and Francis?

But hey, at the end of the day Isiah will go to Dolan and say "See, Curry has progressed so much. Don't fire me." Even though Curry hasn't improved but has only taken more shots.
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12/10/2006  5:09 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Even though Curry hasn't improved but has only taken more shots.

Do you really believe the stuff that you post?
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12/10/2006  5:11 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by islesfan:

Even though Curry hasn't improved but has only taken more shots.

Do you really believe the stuff that you post?

That's what I'm saying. Unbelievable.
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12/10/2006  5:12 PM
Posted by joec32033:
From what I've seen, I haven't been the one getting hypersensitive to just about every post that I don't agree with.
Its cause you are seeing them different joe and thats not the way I see it. I dunno what the point of your "honest observation" was but to me it seemed like you were asking for more action on thread. I think you should have guessed that people didn't see the thread. Stop being so hypersensitive. You called people out on this thread asking why they aren't posting here and you got a response.
Posted by islesfan:

Curry hasn't improved but has only taken more shots.
Curry is playing more minutes, getting less fouls, getting more rebounds, changed his offense almost 180 etc along with scoring more points.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-10-2006 5:13 PM]
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12/10/2006  5:33 PM
All Curry has done is gotten more minutes and taken more shots. His per 48 min numbers for scoring and rebounding are basically the same.

Add in the fact that he's being showcased, not for trade but for Isiah's job, and none of it is that impressive.
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12/10/2006  5:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:

All Curry has done is gotten more minutes and taken more shots. His per 48 min numbers for scoring and rebounding are basically the same.

Add in the fact that he's being showcased, not for trade but for Isiah's job, and none of it is that impressive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't one of the major criticisms of Curry that he couldn't play enough minutes because he always got two quick fouls, often because he kept barreling into the defender?

He isn't doing that now, and as Briggs pointed out in a thread, he is showing a soft touch on a short hook shot.

Also, shouldn't Isiah get credit for letting Curry play with fouls, unlike Larry who yanked him like a yoyo every time he picked up multiple fouls?

Even if your second sentence has merit, maybe Isiah's goals dovetail with the franchise's goals, which is to see if Curry can be franchise center?
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12/10/2006  5:46 PM
You're wrong. Curry is averaging more fouls this year. He hasn't been getting all of them as early and Isiah is playing him with foul trouble.

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12/10/2006  5:58 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Curry is averaging more fouls this year.
Barely. He was averaging 3.1 fouls last season and now its 3.8 which is .7 more fouls per game. The good part is how much longer he is able to stay on court because he is playing more controlled ball under Isiah.
He hasn't been getting all of them as early and Isiah is playing him with foul trouble.
Yup, and IMO, thats a positive which can be proven from the tear he has been on recently. Playing him through some foul trouble has worked wonders for his offensive game. There were times last season when he would pickup early fouls and get pulled but now since the good offense started he stays on the floor and has fouled out only once late in the game.

Another thing is how he has changed his offensive game. He passes out of the double team much better than he used to. He does not run people over, he spins around them. He establishes position deep in the paint. He also has a decent jumpshot which can be useful. He is a different player than last year.
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12/10/2006  7:34 PM
Its cause you are seeing them different joe and thats not the way I see it. I dunno what the point of your "honest observation" was but to me it seemed like you were asking for more action on thread. I think you should have guessed that people didn't see the thread. Stop being so hypersensitive. You called people out on this thread asking why they aren't posting here and you got a response.

I didn't call anyone out. I made an OBSERVATION based on the freakin' post counts. Take a look.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=18659

48 posts in less than 24 hours. This thread has had 37 posts in 4 days. Sometimes there is no alterior motive to a post, Silver. It means exactly what it says at face value.

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12/10/2006  8:01 PM
Posted by islesfan:

You're wrong. Curry is averaging more fouls this year. He hasn't been getting all of them as early and Isiah is playing him with foul trouble.

Foul distribution and the ability to play with them are more important than aggregate fouls.

At least you gave Isiah credit for something.
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