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Solace
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12/6/2006  3:12 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

LOL yeah everyone knows the all star game is all about defense. :)
Look for Bruce Bowen starting at sf. :)

Well let's see. He's not going to get voted in as a starter. The coaches vote for the reserves. The coaches are generally in tune with more aspects of the game than the average fan. Blocks, and steals, both microscopically small, will be painfully obvious. Even worse, rebounds, the second more visible stat, next to scoring, Eddy flunks in also. He has no shot unless he's putting up 24 ppg, next.
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12/6/2006  3:24 PM
7.1 rebounds in 31 minutes is not horrible for a center in todays NBA. I remember a certain all star center named Patrick who averaged around 8 rebounds in 31 minutes at the age of 25
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/6/2006  3:30 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

7.1 rebounds in 31 minutes is not horrible for a center in todays NBA. I remember a certain all star center named Patrick who averaged around 8 rebounds in 31 minutes at the age of 25

Selective memory. This is ignoring the fact that he had 9.0, 8.8, 8.2, 9.3, 10.9, 11.2, 11.2, 12.1, 11.2, 11.0, 10.6, 10.7, 10.2, 9.9, and 9.7 from '86-'00. Also ignoring the fact that Pat averaged 21 ppg for his career (only reduced to that because of his last two seasons). Pat's worst season before '01 is better than Eddy Curry's best season. I don't see what your point is. Ewing also had 2.4 blocks for his career.

Ewing made the all-star team every year BECAUSE he was a complete player. Eddy Curry is nowhere close to a complete player.
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12/6/2006  3:33 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Elite:

i would say curry over ben wallace.. but lets say 6 bigs.

Shaq vote
Howard, Bosh, Okafor, J Oneal are all locks.. what about Rasheed Wallace?

Not to mention Antwan Jamison who plays PF/Sf

Out of the 4 centers you mentioned there is only one true center there. In a fair world he would get the votes for center all star. All the rest play Center but really they are Power Forwards.

Depends on the coachs picking the players and the team records. If EC continues this scorching play till the break though I could see the coachs giving him a nod. Wallace and Jamison both are good players and would have a shot also. Personally I dont think Shaq nor Ben Wallace should be there. If EC is averaging 18-8 by the break (very possible) than I personally would go with:

Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Jermain Oneil
Okafur
Eddy Curry
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12/6/2006  3:34 PM
Nobody is saying that EC is as good as Patrick. Patrick is one of the best of all time. What I remember though is that Ewing was not a dominant rebounder until he was 26. 7.1 reb in 31 minutes and climbing is not far off of Patricks rebounding at 25. If you just want to bash EC without even considering that his rebounding is climing and that among todays centers 7.1reb in 31 min is not horrible than just ignore my response. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/6/2006  3:37 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

The Bulls have been a 5-0 tear but not Ben Wallace. In fact in 2 of those games were head to head with Curry and you coud easily argue that Curry out played Wallace.

Wallace last 5 games:
7pts-4reb
10pts-9reb
1pts-4reb
8pts-12reb
5pts-7reb

Curry vs Wallace head to head

Nov 28th
E Curry: 24pts-8reb-67% shooting
Wallace: 8pts-12reb-50% shooting

Nov 25th
E Curry: 20pts-12reb-50% shooting
Wallace: 5pts-7reb-33% shooting


Curry has 5 double doubles. Wallace has 1

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-06-2006 2:13 PM]



LOL @ not posting other numbers such as blks, stls, ast

Ben has 9blks, 5stls, 7ast, during the 5 game winning streak

Curry has 3blks, 3stls, 6ast during his 7 game scoring spree.

Didn't beat Wallace in not 1 of those categories and he's played 2 extra games than Wallace.


Keep your fat hacky sucking going though.
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12/6/2006  3:39 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Nobody is saying that EC is as good as Patrick. Patrick is one of the best of all time. What I remember though is that Ewing was not a dominant rebounder until he was 26. 7.1 reb in 31 minutes and climbing is not far off of Patricks rebounding at 25. If you just want to bash EC without even considering that his rebounding is climing and that among todays centers 7.1reb in 31 min is not horrible than just ignore my response. :)


Stop comparing incomplete players to complete players. Use more appropriate comparisons if you can even find any.

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12/6/2006  3:41 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Nobody is saying that EC is as good as Patrick. Patrick is one of the best of all time. What I remember though is that Ewing was not a dominant rebounder until he was 26. 7.1 reb in 31 minutes and climbing is not far off of Patricks rebounding at 25. If you just want to bash EC without even considering that his rebounding is climing and that among todays centers 7.1reb in 31 min is not horrible than just ignore my response. :)

Your point just has no validity, because AGAIN, you picked Pat's worst rebounding year vs. Eddy's best. That's hardly fair.

Pat's first five years: 9.0, 8.8, 8.2, 9.3, 10.9
Eddy Curry's first 5 1/4 years to date: 3.8, 4.4, 6.2, 5.4, 6.0, 7.1 (in 20 games)

I'll agree that Eddy Curry's rebounding is climbing, but only because he started from devastatingly low. Eddy is still the 43rd best rebounder for a center, in terms of efficiency (hint: that's NOT good for a franchise center, and not all-star numbers).

Sorry, but I think you're jumping the gun. When Eddy gets up to Pat's worst year for a full season (8.2 rpg), then we can talk. Right now I just don't see it.
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12/6/2006  3:53 PM
Actually that was Patricks best per minute rebounding year in his first 3 years at age 25,24 and 23. Curry just turned 24 yesterday. Currys 7.1 rebounds in 31 minutes is very comparable to Patricks rebounds per minute at age 23-24-25. Not as good but not horrible either.

If Patrick was in the running for this years all star game Curry would not make it but Curry is out playing most eastern conferance centers.

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-06-2006 3:55 PM]
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/6/2006  3:59 PM
Posted by Elite:

i would say curry over ben wallace.. but lets say 6 bigs.

Shaq vote
Howard, Bosh, Okafor, J Oneal are all locks.. what about Rasheed Wallace?

Not to mention Antwan Jamison who plays PF/Sf

I'll give it to Howard and Bosh...Curry over Okafor. J.O'neal is a 4.

No to both Wallace's
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12/6/2006  4:02 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Arkrud, was that a compliment or an insult?!?

Now complaines and no insults. Just reality...
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12/6/2006  4:03 PM
This was talked about last year (and over the summer) and gets brought up again and again.

Patrick Ewing, while great, had a relatively slow start to his career. He never averaged 10rpg until his 5th season in the NBA. So... by bringing up the 8rpg is very targeted memory. Ewing took some time to develop, in spite of the fact he was scouted as a defensive force coming into the NBA. Many figured he'd become essentially what Dikembe Mutombo became. The fact that he had trouble rebounding early on was a surprise to many, as was the fact that Ewing was a big scorer, first and foremost!

No doubt that Ewing was a more complete player than Curry at all points of his career. I'm not disputing that. Just pointing out that Ewing took a few years to become a super-stud.

Maybe in a year or two, we can expect Curry to approach double figure board/gm on average. I don't think he'll ever be a dominant shotblocker--- he doesn't seem to have the innate anticipation/quick reflexes necessary. Maybe next year he'll be carrying 10lbs fewer fat, 5lbs more muscle and be a drop more explosive on D. Who knows.
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

7.1 rebounds in 31 minutes is not horrible for a center in todays NBA. I remember a certain all star center named Patrick who averaged around 8 rebounds in 31 minutes at the age of 25

Selective memory. This is ignoring the fact that he had 9.0, 8.8, 8.2, 9.3, 10.9, 11.2, 11.2, 12.1, 11.2, 11.0, 10.6, 10.7, 10.2, 9.9, and 9.7 from '86-'00. Also ignoring the fact that Pat averaged 21 ppg for his career (only reduced to that because of his last two seasons). Pat's worst season before '01 is better than Eddy Curry's best season. I don't see what your point is. Ewing also had 2.4 blocks for his career.

Ewing made the all-star team every year BECAUSE he was a complete player. Eddy Curry is nowhere close to a complete player.

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12/6/2006  4:06 PM
Posted by technomaster:

No doubt that Ewing was a more complete player than Curry at all points of his career. I'm not disputing that. Just pointing out that Ewing took a few years to become a super-stud.

That's fine, but Ewing was always a star, even before he became a superstar. Curry has not challenged either, and has a few statistics that are awful. I think the time is dimming on Curry being a star. With the kind of talent we gave up to get Curry, we should've had a little more than this, at this point.
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12/6/2006  4:23 PM
The hate is just oozing now......LOL

Get em Curry!!!!!!!!!
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12/6/2006  4:24 PM
I think Curry has a very good chance, because Howard has a very good chance of getting voted in as the starting Center. 17 points and 7 Rebounds per game might even get the job done...........

And these are the players that the NBA ballot considers to be centers http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/AllStarPlayersStats.jsp?confPos=ec
And Curry is better then all of them. Will the coaches Consider Bosh and Joneal Centers, maybe, but I think if Curry keeps this up they will pick him....

[Edited by - anji on 12-06-2006 4:38 PM]
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12/6/2006  4:40 PM
Solace, what exactly did we give up to get Curry that's been so big?

So far it's been Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney... and the performance based 2006 draft pick, which could have been Mardy Collins (the Spurs pick)... but turned into the #2 pick in what appears to be the weakest draft in 2 decades, Aldridge (traded for Ty Thomas and another player). We're also giving up 2nd round picks in 07 and 09.

No sweat. We also picked up Antonio Davis in the deal. We then traded Davis for Jalen Rose and Denver's 2006 1st round pick-- unprotected--- which became Renaldo Balkman.

So the scorecard:

Chicago:
Sweetney (limited mins)
Ty Thomas + Khryapa (VERY limited mins-- Thomas is stuck behind two similarly sized guys in Deng & Nocioni, plus PJ Brown and Big Ben)
Right to swap 1st rounder w/ Knicks in 2007 Draft
Knicks 2nd round picks in 2007 and 2009

Knicks:
Curry (turning into a franchise scorer?)
Renaldo Balkman (solid stats for 12mpg)
The cost of waiving Rose (but come on, we're not talking about real money here)

The only part that really stresses people out is Chicago's option to swap 1st round picks w/ the Knicks in 2007. Who knows. It could mean the difference between two mid-round picks... or a lottery and a mid-round pick, or no swap at all. It's too early to tell.
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12/6/2006  4:44 PM
Curry probably won't make the All-Star team, but he is threatening to.

You, know, so is David Lee....

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12/6/2006  4:58 PM
How about Frye?
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12/6/2006  5:00 PM
Posted by islesfan:

How about Frye?

LOL sure Frye will make the team this year also. Curry, Lee and Frye will all make it. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/6/2006  5:34 PM
If Curry started the season playing the way he's playing now, I think he'd make it. I don't think he'll make it now.
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