Posted by Elite:

Frye is actually a poor rebounder for his size and Jeffries is too thin to be a true banger. But why let the facts get in the way?

Posted by TheGame:

Well, in IT's defense, the second unit has lost alot of its pop since Lee has been starting. I think IT's ultimate strategy is to find a starting unit that can control games and then bring in a second unit that dominates the other teams second unit. His hope is that Jeffries will bring the passing and defense that Lee brings, you then move Q to SG for defense, passing, and 3-pt shooting, you start Fyre, who I think is better than he showed in the first 10 games. With these moves, you can then have a second unit with Crawford, Francis (probably), Lee, and Balkman. Lee and Balkman play well together (they both can run on the break) and really cause havok. Lee has played well as a starter, but it is not like he has been dominating opposing starting PF's. He has had some of the same defensive problems that Frye had. Plus, if you start Frye you keep his trade value up, which might help us in January when the team is going to make a move. I am not saying I agree with the move, but I don't think it is devoid of all logic as most seem to believe. We will just have to wait and see. Curry's recent improvement has more to do with the guards getting him the ball in better positions rather than the fact that he is playing with Lee.

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by King1:

How does JJ deserve to start? He averages 6 points and 5 rebs a game? Frye started 15 games and played lik crap. Lee hasnt been perfect but he makes the team better. Isiah will figure things out when he is coaching the Antartica fighting penguins to a North Pole Championship.

well, JJ may deserve to start because he started and played an important role for a playoff team last year. i get the feeling he may be a glue guy who makes the team work better even if his own stats don't reflect it.

i think frye's performance, confidence and value will go up by playing as the featured offensive guy with the second unit, still playing plenty of minutes. it may even be better for the guards that way, too. instead of pounding the ball inside to eddy and channing with the SL, and then having to create all the offense for the second unit, pushing the ball or taking shots themselves, they can run the same offense the whole game. our Gs complain about learning their role- let's make it simpler.

my 2 cents

[Edited by - Masterplan on 12-06-2006 10:10 AM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by King1:

I cant tell you why Frye should lose he starting job, 7 pts and 5 rebs and shooting about 37% from the field. He doenst compliment Curry, he needs lots of shots to be effective, they were 5-10 when he was starting, and he is average defensively. I dont care if Lee starts I just think he has played well enough to start.

Frye went out Cury picked it up. IT has man-love for Frye--he needs to be proved right over the reality D Lee is superior.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Nowhere did it say that Jeffries was going to be the one starting and yesterday with Stephen A, Isiah said that Jeffries will NOT move into the starting lineup when he returns. Frye is getting his starting job back and for NO GOOD reason. Lee hasn't been great but he compliments so much better than Channing and you can tell by Eddy's scoring output as well as his rebounding. This is a crime.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-06-2006 11:03 AM]

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Nowhere did it say that Jeffries was going to be the one starting and yesterday with Stephen A, Isiah said that Jeffries will NOT move into the starting lineup when he returns. Frye is getting his starting job back and for NO GOOD reason. Lee hasn't been great but he compliments so much better than Channing and you can tell by Eddy's scoring output as well as his rebounding. This is a crime.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-06-2006 11:03 AM]

I beg to differ here. Lee has been great.

Whoever, symantics aside:

Lee: 10.6 points, 8.9 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1.2 steals, shooting 56% FG%, 81% from the line and only averaging 1.2 turnovers in 26:23 mins. per game. His only weaknesses if you call, them that, are his blockd shots (.4 per, and his fouls).

Frye: 7.6 points, 5.6 rebounds, .4 assists, .5 steals, 38% FG%, 88% from the line, .5 blocks per and only averaging 1.1 turnovers, in 22:48 minutes per.

And Lee has been more consistent and a better defender all season.



[Edited by - joec32033 on 12-06-2006 11:12 AM]

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Nowhere did it say that Jeffries was going to be the one starting and yesterday with Stephen A, Isiah said that Jeffries will NOT move into the starting lineup when he returns. Frye is getting his starting job back and for NO GOOD reason. Lee hasn't been great but he compliments so much better than Channing and you can tell by Eddy's scoring output as well as his rebounding. This is a crime.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-06-2006 11:03 AM]

I beg to differ here. Lee has been great.

Whoever, symantics aside:

Lee: 10.6 points, 8.9 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1.2 steals, shooting 56% FG%, 81% from the line and only averaging 1.2 turnovers in 26:23 mins. per game. His only weaknesses if you call, them that, are his blockd shots (.4 per, and his fouls).

Frye: 7.6 points, 5.6 rebounds, .4 assists, .5 steals, 38% FG%, 88% from the line, .5 blocks per and only averaging 1.1 turnovers, in 22:48 minutes per.

And Lee has been more consistent and a better defender all season.



[Edited by - joec32033 on 12-06-2006 11:12 AM]

Lee was putting up those same numbers off the bench as well. He'll still get his minutes.

That really is the point. IT did not say "I am not going to play Lee", he simply stated that he was not going to start Lee. Lee will still get his minutes.