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12/6/2006  9:13 AM
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Posted by eViL:
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Nan the difference is this is Phil calling out a player once in the paper, not player number 8 for the fifth time.................. but yeah, other then that it's the same...

Phil wrote a whole book and bashed Kobe plenty. They hired him back despite that.

He does have a relationship with the owner's daughter.

Isiah tried to have a relationship with the team's PR director.

see - he DOES care.
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12/6/2006  9:48 AM
I think Phil has had something to say about all of his players at one time or the other. That being said, to kick a 19 YO in the arse is not necessarily a bad thing. No one should tolerate multiple violations of tardiness in a job that pays you that much money. I think it's possible a kid who just turned 19 could be getting to big of a head as well. So grounding someone isnt a bad idea.
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12/6/2006  9:55 AM
to kick any player in the ass is not a bad thing. if you are doing something wrong, then you need to hear it. that's what the coach is supposed to do.
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12/6/2006  10:02 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by eViL:
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Nan the difference is this is Phil calling out a player once in the paper, not player number 8 for the fifth time.................. but yeah, other then that it's the same...

Phil wrote a whole book and bashed Kobe plenty. They hired him back despite that.

He does have a relationship with the owner's daughter.

Forget that, he has three rings with the damn team!!!! Three rings with Kobe!!!!
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12/6/2006  10:13 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

trade Bynum, we need a center like that Curry guy who can really produce!

LOL... dude, it's ridiculous but that's exactly what people would be complaining about right now if Curry were still on the Bulls... "check out what that Eddy Curry's doing over in Chicago!... he just put up 7 straight 20+ pt games! he's exactly the type of dominating low post presence we need! WHY DIDN'T ISIAH TRADE FOR HIM WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE?!?!"

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12/6/2006  10:17 AM
Posted by TMS:
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trade Bynum, we need a center like that Curry guy who can really produce!

LOL... dude, it's ridiculous but that's exactly what people would be complaining about right now if Curry were still on the Bulls... "check out what that Eddy Curry's doing over in Chicago!... he just put up 7 straight 20+ pt games! he's exactly the type of dominating low post presence we need! WHY DIDN'T ISIAH TRADE FOR HIM WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE?!?!"


I disagree completely. A lot of people didn't want Eddy Curry, and certainly not for the package we gave up. Many of us pointed our Curry's flaws before we traded for him, and said we needed to put defensive players around him, if we ever got him. The problem is some people are one-track minded when it comes to evaluating a player (scoring). There's so many more facets, and MANY of us noticed those things before Curry got here.

Personally, I'd have rather gotten Erick Dampier... sad or not.
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12/6/2006  10:32 AM
Posted by Anji:

Nan the difference is this is Phil calling out a player once in the paper, not player number 8 for the fifth time.................. but yeah, other then that it's the same...
THANKS!!! Freaking LB corksuckers!!!!!
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12/6/2006  10:41 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Anji:

Nan the difference is this is Phil calling out a player once in the paper, not player number 8 for the fifth time.................. but yeah, other then that it's the same...
THANKS!!! Freaking LB corksuckers!!!!!

marbury was a better player under that corksucker.
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12/6/2006  11:29 AM
Posted by Solace:
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Posted by crzymdups:

trade Bynum, we need a center like that Curry guy who can really produce!

LOL... dude, it's ridiculous but that's exactly what people would be complaining about right now if Curry were still on the Bulls... "check out what that Eddy Curry's doing over in Chicago!... he just put up 7 straight 20+ pt games! he's exactly the type of dominating low post presence we need! WHY DIDN'T ISIAH TRADE FOR HIM WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE?!?!"


I disagree completely. A lot of people didn't want Eddy Curry, and certainly not for the package we gave up. Many of us pointed our Curry's flaws before we traded for him, and said we needed to put defensive players around him, if we ever got him. The problem is some people are one-track minded when it comes to evaluating a player (scoring). There's so many more facets, and MANY of us noticed those things before Curry got here.

Personally, I'd have rather gotten Erick Dampier... sad or not.

I honestly don't remember many complaints on this board when Isiah made the deal to get Curry... i saw alot of posts saying Isiah had to make that deal, & maybe a few of the usual doubters on every move Isiah makes were chiming in w/their beefs on the deal... it was only when the Knicks completely tanked last season that alot of people started complaining about the lack of lottery protection on the pick.

& please, gimme a break w/Erick Dampier... he's crap... Dampier was widely bashed on this forum as well when those rumors started to pop up, proclaiming him to be another Big Turd James type player only putting up #'s in a contract year & nowhere near worthy of the obscene contract that he signed... he's having the best season since he signed that contract this year, & i'd still much rather have D Lee starting over him.

as for putting defensive players around Curry, isn't that what Isiah's trying to do right now? he drafted D Lee & Nate Rob & traded for Q Rich last year (& signed James, which was a horrible mistake that I soundly bashed from the start but at least he was targeting a shotblocker), & this past year he brought in Jefferies, Balkman & Collins... obviously the task is not done & Isiah needs to get rid of weak defensive players like Frye, Marbury & Francis, but getting ourselves a consistent low post scoring option was essential imo, & something MANY Knick fans were pining for ever since the days of Ewing & LJ.

this has nothing to do w/being one track minded... it's about evaluating a player based on his strengths rather than harping only on the weaknesses, like many of you are doing when it comes to Eddy Curry.
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12/6/2006  11:53 AM
Nate Robinson was never noted as a defender neither was Q so lets not make the mistake of saying something that clearly wasn't the plan....

Francis and Rose were his other two stoppers that he brought in
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12/6/2006  11:54 AM
I honestly don't remember many complaints on this board when Isiah made the deal to get Curry... i saw alot of posts saying Isiah had to make that deal, & maybe a few of the usual doubters on every move Isiah makes were chiming in w/their beefs on the deal... it was only when the Knicks completely tanked last season that alot of people started complaining about the lack of lottery protection on the pick.

& please, gimme a break w/Erick Dampier... he's crap... Dampier was widely bashed on this forum as well when those rumors started to pop up, proclaiming him to be another Big Turd James type player only putting up #'s in a contract year & nowhere near worthy of the obscene contract that he signed... he's having the best season since he signed that contract this year, & i'd still much rather have D Lee starting over him.

as for putting defensive players around Curry, isn't that what Isiah's trying to do right now? he drafted D Lee & Nate Rob & traded for Q Rich last year (& signed James, which was a horrible mistake that I soundly bashed from the start but at least he was targeting a shotblocker), & this past year he brought in Jefferies, Balkman & Collins... obviously the task is not done & Isiah needs to get rid of weak defensive players like Frye, Marbury & Francis, but getting ourselves a consistent low post scoring option was essential imo, & something MANY Knick fans were pining for ever since the days of Ewing & LJ.

this has nothing to do w/being one track minded... it's about evaluating a player based on his strengths rather than harping only on the weaknesses, like many of you are doing when it comes to Eddy Curry.

The trade for Eddy Curry will come down to Ty Thomas and Sweets for Curry. We will either have a better record than Chicago or a close enough pick that the flip flop will be negligible. If what were seeing from Eddy isnt a fluke (which im actually starting to believe that it might not be) who in their right mind wouldnt make that trade? And I agree, Eric WHO? That dude sucks. It kills me that some people are still hating on this dude when right now he is outplaying 90% of the centers in this league.
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12/6/2006  11:54 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by crzymdups:

trade Bynum, we need a center like that Curry guy who can really produce!

LOL... dude, it's ridiculous but that's exactly what people would be complaining about right now if Curry were still on the Bulls... "check out what that Eddy Curry's doing over in Chicago!... he just put up 7 straight 20+ pt games! he's exactly the type of dominating low post presence we need! WHY DIDN'T ISIAH TRADE FOR HIM WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE?!?!"


I disagree completely. A lot of people didn't want Eddy Curry, and certainly not for the package we gave up. Many of us pointed our Curry's flaws before we traded for him, and said we needed to put defensive players around him, if we ever got him. The problem is some people are one-track minded when it comes to evaluating a player (scoring). There's so many more facets, and MANY of us noticed those things before Curry got here.

Personally, I'd have rather gotten Erick Dampier... sad or not.

I honestly don't remember many complaints on this board when Isiah made the deal to get Curry... i saw alot of posts saying Isiah had to make that deal, & maybe a few of the usual doubters on every move Isiah makes were chiming in w/their beefs on the deal... it was only when the Knicks completely tanked last season that alot of people started complaining about the lack of lottery protection on the pick.

& please, gimme a break w/Erick Dampier... he's crap... Dampier was widely bashed on this forum as well when those rumors started to pop up, proclaiming him to be another Big Turd James type player only putting up #'s in a contract year & nowhere near worthy of the obscene contract that he signed... he's having the best season since he signed that contract this year, & i'd still much rather have D Lee starting over him.

as for putting defensive players around Curry, isn't that what Isiah's trying to do right now? he drafted D Lee & Nate Rob & traded for Q Rich last year (& signed James, which was a horrible mistake that I soundly bashed from the start but at least he was targeting a shotblocker), & this past year he brought in Jefferies, Balkman & Collins... obviously the task is not done & Isiah needs to get rid of weak defensive players like Frye, Marbury & Francis, but getting ourselves a consistent low post scoring option was essential imo, & something MANY Knick fans were pining for ever since the days of Ewing & LJ.

this has nothing to do w/being one track minded... it's about evaluating a player based on his strengths rather than harping only on the weaknesses, like many of you are doing when it comes to Eddy Curry.
I agree with you on the part about no complaints being expressed at the time on the Curry deal. Briggs was really the only one who complained about lack of lottery protection, and in retrospect there was a lot of validity to his complaints. I agree with Solace on Dampier, though. Damps plays good, tough defense and averages almost a double double (9 & 9) in 25 mpg. He does everything (except scoring) better than Curry.

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12/6/2006  12:00 PM
D Lee's giving us 10 & 9 for alot less dollars... the only thing Dampier does that i wish we had is block shots... definitely not nearly worth the amount of dollars he's making... the guy's a career 8 & 8 player making star level dollars for the next 4 years... he's garbage.
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12/6/2006  12:07 PM
Posted by MS:

Nate Robinson was never noted as a defender neither was Q so lets not make the mistake of saying something that clearly wasn't the plan....

Francis and Rose were his other two stoppers that he brought in


look, i'm not trying to defend Isiah's vision & saying he's been consistent about it from the get go... i'm sure everyone knows my feelings on Marbury & Big Turd by now... but the Eddy Curry trade isn't something i can bash, because God knows how long it's been since we had a consistent low post scoring option on this team... now focus on getting some perimeter defenders & we might see some good improvement out of this team.
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12/6/2006  1:25 PM
Posted by TMS:

D Lee's giving us 10 & 9 for alot less dollars... the only thing Dampier does that i wish we had is block shots... definitely not nearly worth the amount of dollars he's making

Dampier blocks AND alters shots (and rotates well on help defense). That alone is worth more than anything Curry does (but neither player is worth their salary).
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12/6/2006  1:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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D Lee's giving us 10 & 9 for alot less dollars... the only thing Dampier does that i wish we had is block shots... definitely not nearly worth the amount of dollars he's making

Dampier blocks AND alters shots (and rotates well on help defense). That alone is worth more than anything Curry does (but neither player is worth their salary).

I would say that is worth more than what Curry does in the construct of this team. If we had a team built like the Spurs of 2000(Floor general leader, supporting role 2 and 3 and a 4 that was more of a defensive presence), Curry would be worth infinately more than valuable than Dampier.
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12/6/2006  1:45 PM
In all honesty, Curry is showing that he's the better center. I understand how it is - Bynum being only 19 and the sky is th limit. But sometimes the sky can come falling down too. Ask Chicken Little.

Curry is better than Bynum at this point. And he's not exactly an old mn either.
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12/6/2006  1:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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D Lee's giving us 10 & 9 for alot less dollars... the only thing Dampier does that i wish we had is block shots... definitely not nearly worth the amount of dollars he's making

Dampier blocks AND alters shots (and rotates well on help defense). That alone is worth more than anything Curry does (but neither player is worth their salary).


so the 1 block per game & the however many altered shots he brings is worth more than the 7 points per game difference in offense you're telling me... interesting, how do you come up w/that conclusion? all i see when i watch Dampier play is a big dude w/long arms who's man never has to worry much about him scoring so he's able to double team other players... Curry at least draws double teams down low & lessens the pressure on the guys on the perimeter... Dampier is basically a screen setter & a role playing rebounder/shotblocker... he's never going to be the centerpiece of any offense & no team is going to pay much attention to him when they're on defense... Dampier's a scrub making $11 mil a year, let's get that straight right now.
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so the 1 block per game & the however many altered shots he brings is worth more than the 7 points per game difference in offense you're telling me
I draw that conclusion because we have gaurds and forwards who can easily score points. I'd be willing to have Frye and Q work in the post instead of Curry if it meant having Dampier alter shots instead of having zero inside presence on D. (If you want to do a full statistical comparison, don't forget the higher TOs from Curry too.)
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12/6/2006  2:56 PM
Posted by TMS:

D Lee's giving us 10 & 9 for alot less dollars... the only thing Dampier does that i wish we had is block shots... definitely not nearly worth the amount of dollars he's making... the guy's a career 8 & 8 player making star level dollars for the next 4 years... he's garbage.

This isn't about Lee. Dampier next to Lee would've been a lot nicer than Curry... and we might still have a shot at Oden.

And again, a lot of people didn't like the trade, muchly because of how much Isiah gave up for a player who is putting up awful defensive numbers. It's not just Curry, but he's a big piece of the problem. Our best shot blocker is Renaldo Balkman at .8 per game, in limited minutes? Yes, we have SERIOUS issues.
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