Posted by PresIke:

Posted by MS:

Here is what your assessment fails to include.

Marbury brings it all upon himself.
1. If Nash, Kidd, Williams, Paul, Arenas, Hinrich, Nelson, Miller, Bibby, etc where all out there would you trade Stephon for them yes, so if you declare yourself on multiple occasions to be the best point guard in the NBA and not produce wings, don't try defensively constantly make foolish statements into the media, and have only two allstar appearances to your credit you probably shoudln't keep refering to yourself as starbury, or say you are confused how to play after 10 years in the league after you have managed to empty the garden with your poor selfish play.

2. He represents everything that is wrong with the modern day athlete and sports in general.

Curry

1. Hasn't showed improvement he has just asserted himself and played smart basketball and decided to use his brain instead of running people over, he could have done this all season but all of a sudden he is now a force, you just don't get it all of a sudden
2. He doesn't play with his head half the time, block shots, rebound, comes into camp out of shape, and undermotivated.......

The team comes out flat 90% of games and doesn't play with the normal amount of energy it does late in games, which makes no sense to the crowd........

So if your working on a job, disgracing your company half the time you perform, not living up to your potential and sulking and making exuses, you usually get fired, don't you or does your boss who is paying your salary give you constant words of encouragement when he knows your best is not being brought to the table..........

Personally I go every game, see the same **** every game, do i boo? when a team gets a third offensive rebound or a player is not paying attention and the rebound that decides the out come of the game drops into the other teams hands because our center forget he had to get a rebound......its my duty after paying $220 for the night to get up and applaud these lump of ****s that are more concerned with themselves than the fans, and their teammates.......

Will I ever boo lee, q, or balkman if they make a mistake never because those guys are constantly getting after it and helping the team....

Can you Boo if

1. In the midst of a horrible season your 5'7 pg decides to bounce the ball off the the ground in an attempt to dunk in a game that is in doubt and crucial to the team, i say yes, or when he decides he is going to come flying in and goal tend a ball not even close to going in, yea i think you can get upset.
2. If Eddy Curry give you 13 and 6 when he should give you 20 and 10 in his sleep with his skill set 75% of the time.
3. Your pg decides not to shot to prove a point that someone shooting 36% needs to play more
4. Your other pg complains after every single call
5. Jamal Crawford carries the ball, takes off balance shots not running the offense, etc, etc

Hey, I understand fans' frustration with Marbury and Curry. I've been frustrated with them as well. It's not like I'm saying I don't know that they have done things that drive me and other fans crazy, but can you ALWAYS hold that against them? It's like we're talking about someone who went to jail, did their time and now no one can forget that they did what they did. To some extent, that's understandable because most never truly forget, and have a hard time moving beyond experiences that evoke strong emotional responses. Yet, is it worth it to dismiss good play from these players because one cannot forget what they have done?

Basically what you are saying for the most part is that you can't forgive these players unless they start doing exactly what you expected them to, and if they do anything that reminds you of what it sounds like you might be thinking -- which is predisposed to believing that you see the past as more than enough justification to boo (which is supported by your propensity to exude a great deal of anger and resentment in your posts, along with others), you will will use that mindset to justify the booing.

Consider if you were a worker under someone that treats workers like you treat Marbury and Curry as a manager and your made mistakes or were inexperienced and your higher up told your boss that they need to keep you on, or you were a close relative of the owner (meaning you can't be fired). What would be the point of treating you as a workers poorly, since you are probably not going anywhere? Why not give you as a worker every opportunity to turn yourself around, rather than berade you for every mistake out of their resentment towards you? And then even when you do well, other workers or observers still won't give you credit, or see this as growth because they can't stop holding onto their past view of you either.

I don't sense much benefit to constantly taking our your anger at the targets of disdain. You mention my ignoring your points, yet Marbury and Curry did VERY GOOD JOBS yesterday. So if that's the case, what does the past have anything to do with yesterday's performance? How about giving a player a chance to make mistakes if they overall do well?

I think it is unfortunate that for many UK Mafia-ish members no amount of evidence appears to be sufficient to be even willing to admit that guys like Curry or Marbury are allowed ANY slack. No turnovers allowed. No runs by the other opponent. No bad decisions, etc. That's just flat out unrealistic, for ANY team or player. I'm not saying I'm pleased with the mistakes either, and if they look worse, than I'm all for the criticism. I criticize players and play as well. Check my record, but I am also willing to recognize that there are some signs of hope, although it could also get worse. Yet, to ignore all positives seems like an example of putting blinders on.

excellent post.