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This why I think Isiah lied about personel moves to LB
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Rich
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12/4/2006  11:35 PM
We know that Larry took less than the contract price. That tells you all you need to know.
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12/4/2006  11:45 PM
Posted by Rich:

We know that Larry took less than the contract price. That tells you all you need to know.


Same could be said for Dolan having to give him anything, which, correct me if I'm wrong, would not be the case in a real breach situation.

Chances are Stern just said "if I rule this someone is gonna get all and the other nothing, so someone is guaranteed to be wholly unhappy. I think it'd be in the best interest of all parties if you could come to a compromise agreement that everyone can live with, and lets not make this anymore ugly than it's already been."

That proves nothing either way.

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12/4/2006  11:50 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Rich:

We know that Larry took less than the contract price. That tells you all you need to know.


Same could be said for Dolan having to give him anything, which, correct me if I'm wrong, would not be the case in a real breach situation.

Chances are Stern just said "if I rule this someone is gonna get all and the other nothing, so someone is guaranteed to be wholly unhappy. I think it'd be in the best interest of all parties if you could come to a compromise agreement that everyone can live with, and lets not make this anymore ugly than it's already been."

That proves nothing either way.

Not really. I think what happens shows that there was a breach by Larry, but not a material breach.
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12/4/2006  11:54 PM
Posted by Rich:

We know that Larry took less than the contract price. That tells you all you need to know.

It tells you that Larry wanted to coach again within the next 4 years, that's about it.
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12/4/2006  11:59 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Rich:

We know that Larry took less than the contract price. That tells you all you need to know.


Same could be said for Dolan having to give him anything, which, correct me if I'm wrong, would not be the case in a real breach situation.

Chances are Stern just said "if I rule this someone is gonna get all and the other nothing, so someone is guaranteed to be wholly unhappy. I think it'd be in the best interest of all parties if you could come to a compromise agreement that everyone can live with, and lets not make this anymore ugly than it's already been."

That proves nothing either way.

Not really. I think what happens shows that there was a breach by Larry, but not a material breach.


I'm lost in jargon, but you're simply speculating. People need to stop looking at this as though Stern gave a ruling. He didn't. He suggested they settle so that he wouldn't have to. Last thing he wants is to be named as arbitrator on every coaching contract going forward.

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12/5/2006  12:11 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Rich:

We know that Larry took less than the contract price. That tells you all you need to know.


Same could be said for Dolan having to give him anything, which, correct me if I'm wrong, would not be the case in a real breach situation.

Chances are Stern just said "if I rule this someone is gonna get all and the other nothing, so someone is guaranteed to be wholly unhappy. I think it'd be in the best interest of all parties if you could come to a compromise agreement that everyone can live with, and lets not make this anymore ugly than it's already been."

That proves nothing either way.

Not really. I think what happens shows that there was a breach by Larry, but not a material breach.


I'm lost in jargon, but you're simply speculating. People need to stop looking at this as though Stern gave a ruling. He didn't. He suggested they settle so that he wouldn't have to. Last thing he wants is to be named as arbitrator on every coaching contract going forward.

Of course, we're all speculating. It just seems strange that a person with a guaranteed contract, who was fired for anything less than cause, would willingly give up that much money.

I have never mentioned Stern, but the last thing he wanted was to set a precedent.


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12/5/2006  12:33 AM
So because Isiah dissed Fratello after giving him Mike impression he was hired, and was not this means that Isiah told Brown he would move players and didn't?

That is not a logically consistent argument, my friend, and frankly I'm surprised somer here are willing to accept this as any legitimate reason to take your theory to be true.

Simply because Isiah might have misled or lied (to use the term you might prefer) to Fratello about coaching the team does not mean that Isiah told Brown he would cut players and didn't. The only plausible reason that works would be if you already belief that Isiah did what you say, and are just looking for something that sounds like it might support it. Otherwise, this possible Fratello thing in no way can be cunstrued as evidence.

Your argument possesses about the same logical consistency as some of the 9-11 conspirasy theories (some of which may be true, but most people, or none of us REALLY know), like the one that says that there is NO possible way that the WTC could have fallen the way it did without explosives detonated in the building. There is no way to prove this true because the evidence is not there, so the "conspirasy theorist" has the convenience of having no one who can refute the claim either. But the theorist has all of the right to claim that this is what happened, usually becaue they already believe that this is what HAD to have happened our of ones own view of things.
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12/5/2006  12:33 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Rich:

We know that Larry took less than the contract price. That tells you all you need to know.


Same could be said for Dolan having to give him anything, which, correct me if I'm wrong, would not be the case in a real breach situation.

Chances are Stern just said "if I rule this someone is gonna get all and the other nothing, so someone is guaranteed to be wholly unhappy. I think it'd be in the best interest of all parties if you could come to a compromise agreement that everyone can live with, and lets not make this anymore ugly than it's already been."

That proves nothing either way.

Not really. I think what happens shows that there was a breach by Larry, but not a material breach.


I'm lost in jargon, but you're simply speculating. People need to stop looking at this as though Stern gave a ruling. He didn't. He suggested they settle so that he wouldn't have to. Last thing he wants is to be named as arbitrator on every coaching contract going forward.

Of course, we're all speculating. It just seems strange that a person with a guaranteed contract, who was fired for anything less than cause, would willingly give up that much money.

I have never mentioned Stern, but the last thing he wanted was to set a precedent.


Fine, so we agree this settlement allows plenty of room for speculations and little grounds for conclusions.


But this conversation was all a diversion from the real point at hand which is Isiah's role in destabilizing pretty much ALL the coaches who've worked under him here. It wasn't exclusively towards Larry, nor was larry exempt from it. Chaney, (Fratello), Wilkens, Herb, and Larry were all, to one degree or another, not fully supported by Isiah (obviously. look how long each of them lasted.) If someone wants to say that some of them didn't make him look to good either, that might be fair, but then who's responsible for signing them and managing them in the first place?
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12/5/2006  12:42 AM
Posted by PresIke:

So because Isiah dissed Fratello after giving him Mike impression he was hired, and was not this means that Isiah told Brown he would move players and didn't?

That is not a logically consistent argument, my friend, and frankly I'm surprised somer here are willing to accept this as any legitimate reason to take your theory to be true.

Simply because Isiah might have misled or lied (to use the term you might prefer) to Fratello about coaching the team does not mean that Isiah told Brown he would cut players and didn't. The only plausible reason that works would be if you already belief that Isiah did what you say, and are just looking for something that sounds like it might support it. Otherwise, this possible Fratello thing in no way can be cunstrued as evidence.

Your argument possesses about the same logical consistency as some of the 9-11 conspirasy theories (some of which may be true, but most people, or none of us REALLY know), like the one that says that there is NO possible way that the WTC could have fallen the way it did without explosives detonated in the building. There is no way to prove this true because the evidence is not there, so the "conspirasy theorist" has the convenience of having no one who can refute the claim either. But the theorist has all of the right to claim that this is what happened, usually becaue they already believe that this is what HAD to have happened our of ones own view of things.

pres, I agree the fratello situation tells us little of isiah's agreement with brown, but go to wfan's website and see if you can find mike francesa's interview of isiah (december '05), and you will hear isiah himself say things like 'it's the players job to conform to the coach, and if they don't, or can't, they will be moved", and "if it comes down to a choice between some players or the coach, we're siding with the coach, we're rolling with the coach."

it was the very same interview in which isiah told us our core was eddy, frye and LB.

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12/5/2006  10:51 AM
Blueseats , this is exactly why I came to my conclusion.

Isiah and Dolan against LB, WHO DO YOU THINK WILL WIN ?

Dolan's money is long he controls who gets the checks, Lenny Wilkens waited until he recieved his last check from MSG before he opened his mouth about Isiah.I believe LB just wants to coach again so if he opens his mouth about a gm and owner, that would just make it more difficult for him at his next gig.

I remember it to this day when zeke went on to say if you can't conform to the coach you will be moved.

So how is that a theory , speculation or hear say?
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
This why I think Isiah lied about personel moves to LB

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