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12/2/2006  1:23 PM
Posted by izybx:



For the duration of Marbury's contract he will paid about as much as Curry will be paid for the remaining years on his contract. Curry is a problem, but he has an upside. And as i said before in another thread, how many players have you seen improve after the age of 23? I have hope...

I got hope too brother! I feel I'm being realistic but that's just me and my own opinion

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12/2/2006  1:31 PM
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I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

I think his retort is fitting to the logic used by you in this thread.
Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise?

hmmm, why do that, lets look at what has happened to the wolves franchise last year and this year so far.... Last year they missed the playoffs, and this year, they are struggling...... Yea, I see your point....
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12/2/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.


This was one of Larry's biggest let downs with the team. Remember last yr we kept hearing how the players wanted a faster pace and Larry said this can never happen until the teams improves it's interior rebounding. He was mainly referring to Curry and Frye. With Frye's injury this yr Lee has been inserted into the starting line-up and has improved this situation somewhat. Curry's still mediocre as ever rebounding even though he's staying on the court for longer stretches. The team is supposed to be more uptempo yet what do we see?

The Knicks consistently outrebound their opponents this season.

That doesnt matter. All that matters is a way to put our players down!
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/2/2006  1:36 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:



That doesnt matter. All that matters is a way to put our players down!

Do you think I enjoy feeling this way about my favorite team?
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12/2/2006  1:37 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.


This was one of Larry's biggest let downs with the team. Remember last yr we kept hearing how the players wanted a faster pace and Larry said this can never happen until the teams improves it's interior rebounding. He was mainly referring to Curry and Frye. With Frye's injury this yr Lee has been inserted into the starting line-up and has improved this situation somewhat. Curry's still mediocre as ever rebounding even though he's staying on the court for longer stretches. The team is supposed to be more uptempo yet what do we see?

The Knicks consistently outrebound their opponents this season.



With the majority of it coming from the increased playing time of Lee. The team rebounds by committee so to speak because they can't rely on Curry and Frye anchoring the rebounding. No player on the team is averaging double digits. Think about it, the team would be much better at running uptempo if Curry was snagging the boards and outletting them to a ball handler while the wing players get up the court. Instead everybody rebounds and waits for Curry.
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12/2/2006  1:40 PM
The team that has success showing us a glimpse of what's exciting is the bench. They rebound well and execute in transition effectively
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12/2/2006  1:41 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.


This was one of Larry's biggest let downs with the team. Remember last yr we kept hearing how the players wanted a faster pace and Larry said this can never happen until the teams improves it's interior rebounding. He was mainly referring to Curry and Frye. With Frye's injury this yr Lee has been inserted into the starting line-up and has improved this situation somewhat. Curry's still mediocre as ever rebounding even though he's staying on the court for longer stretches. The team is supposed to be more uptempo yet what do we see?

How could he have been referring to Frye and Frye was a rook, barely getting consistent minutes...You might be right...Nothing made much sense from last year...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-02-2006 1:42 PM]
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12/2/2006  1:45 PM
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

I think his retort is fitting to the logic used by you in this thread.
Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise?

hmmm, why do that, lets look at what has happened to the wolves franchise last year and this year so far.... Last year they missed the playoffs, and this year, they are struggling...... Yea, I see your point....

So are you saying that no matter what Curry and KG do that their teams overall are very bad? Should we use other players as comparisons such as Tim Duncan, Paul Gasol, Elton Brand, Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Jermaine O'neal, etc etc?

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 12:51 PM]
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12/2/2006  1:47 PM
Curry's useless. I'd rather have a role player who plays some D and rebounds.
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12/2/2006  1:49 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by izybx:

There are much worse problems on this team rather than Curry not rebounding. Youre right, Curry cant block shots or rebound. He can be dominant in the post. Thats who he is.

I don't see what could be more problematic than having your 10million dollar center not rebound or play defense.


This was one of Larry's biggest let downs with the team. Remember last yr we kept hearing how the players wanted a faster pace and Larry said this can never happen until the teams improves it's interior rebounding. He was mainly referring to Curry and Frye. With Frye's injury this yr Lee has been inserted into the starting line-up and has improved this situation somewhat. Curry's still mediocre as ever rebounding even though he's staying on the court for longer stretches. The team is supposed to be more uptempo yet what do we see?

How could he have been referring to Frye and Frye was a rook, barely getting consistent minutes...You might be right...Nothing made much sense from last year...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-02-2006 1:42 PM]


Frye started a ton of games last yr when Antonio went haywire. The team's starting rebounding became a bigger problem therefore Larry benched Frye to find other answers. He never found any answers because the team quit on him.
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12/2/2006  2:02 PM
One thing that works against Curry is that many of the teams we've been playing don't really have an inside presence and are primarily perimeter teams. Chicago, Cleve and Detoit all took an inordinate amount of long range shots and thus you get a lot of long rebounds. Curry is not built to chase down rebounds. The way the league is now you're going to have trouble getting bounds in some games due to all the 3's and long 2 point shots taken. As long as the other players on our team get those rebounds, which they do, it's not hurting us that Curry isn't the best rebounder out there.

This season Frye started slow, but he was beginning to come out of it and he had some good rebounding games. Frye's last 8 games he had 7, 6, 8, 9, 5, 5, 7 & 9. That was a nice increase over his 1st 7 games. Still not dominant but far from terrible. I think he also was showing himself to be much more effective in the post, which was a VERY nice development over last year.
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12/2/2006  2:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:

One thing that works against Curry is that many of the teams we've been playing don't really have an inside presence and are primarily perimeter teams. Chicago, Cleve and Detoit all took an inordinate amount of long range shots and thus you get a lot of long rebounds. Curry is not built to chase down rebounds. The way the league is now you're going to have trouble getting bounds in some games due to all the 3's and long 2 point shots taken. As long as the other players on our team get those rebounds, which they do, it's not hurting us that Curry isn't the best rebounder out there.

This season Frye started slow, but he was beginning to come out of it and he had some good rebounding games. Frye's last 8 games he had 7, 6, 8, 9, 5, 5, 7 & 9. That was a nice increase over his 1st 7 games. Still not dominant but far from terrible. I think he also was showing himself to be much more effective in the post, which was a VERY nice development over last year.

Curry is not built to chase down rebounds? Is he build to box out and actually jump for rebounds??! We are not talking rebounds to go out to the perimeter, we are talking ones where he stands and watches!
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12/2/2006  2:16 PM
Posted by martin:

Curry is not built to chase down rebounds? Is he build to box out and actually jump for rebounds??! We are not talking rebounds to go out to the perimeter, we are talking ones where he stands and watches!

I never said that it's the ONLY reason why he fails to get rebounds. My point was only that he's not the kind of guy that is going to be mobile enough to go after rebounds that are going long. Some guys like Lee are so quick and agile that they move into position as the ball is in the air. With our opponents taking so many long range shots against us, that lends itself to our other players getting more rebounds. Now that has nothing to do with Curry not getting more of the available rebounds in the paint, but it DOES limit his number of chances.
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12/2/2006  2:22 PM
Posted by nixluva:
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Curry is not built to chase down rebounds? Is he build to box out and actually jump for rebounds??! We are not talking rebounds to go out to the perimeter, we are talking ones where he stands and watches!

I never said that it's the ONLY reason why he fails to get rebounds. My point was only that he's not the kind of guy that is going to be mobile enough to go after rebounds that are going long. Some guys like Lee are so quick and agile that they move into position as the ball is in the air. With our opponents taking so many long range shots against us, that lends itself to our other players getting more rebounds. Now that has nothing to do with Curry not getting more of the available rebounds in the paint, but it DOES limit his number of chances.


How are Shaq, Big Z, Yao Ming, Emeka Okafor able to get rebounds considering their size, lack of athleticism, and/or overall health?
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12/2/2006  2:28 PM
Curry is giving us 6.4 boards a game. We are out rebounding most teams so it is not a problem. I see at least 1-2 rebounds a game Curry is in position for but he lets Qrich, Dlee or Francis grab them instead. He could fight for them but they are his teammates. The one time he did fight for it with Frye the ball goes out of bounds. Thats happened with frye and others as well. If Curry grabbed those 1-2 boards a game by being selfish he would be over 8 boards in 31 minutes.
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Posted by SeatsBlue:

How are Shaq, Big Z, Yao Ming, Emeka Okafor able to get rebounds considering their size, lack of athleticism, and/or overall health?

Shaq when he was younger was as quick, mobile and athletic as any human ever was, despite his size. No need to even bring him up.

On a lot of teams their big rebounder is about the only guy really getting lots of bounds and few other players ever fight them for rebounds. I think we've already established that Curry is not a ferocious rebounder, still as SugarRay pointed out we have other guys who also get in there and rebound, so it's less of a concern. We're one of the best rebounding teams in the league at nearly 43 rebs a game.
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12/2/2006  2:42 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Curry is giving us 6.4 boards a game. We are out rebounding most teams so it is not a problem. I see at least 1-2 rebounds a game Curry is in position for but he lets Qrich, Dlee or Francis grab them instead. He could fight for them but they are his teammates. The one time he did fight for it with Frye the ball goes out of bounds. Thats happened with frye and others as well. If Curry grabbed those 1-2 boards a game by being selfish he would be over 8 boards in 31 minutes.


Ok sure this has happened pretty much every game this yr. So do other players on the team do what Curry does? When Curry came in the game yesterday at 6:00min mark in the 4th qrt he had 3reb. He finished with 5reb. There have been plenty games like this where he gets some empty stats toward the end of games. The rebounding is being taken care of by committee on the team but it would be better if Curry lead the team and just maybe that would greatly contribute to solving the problem with the team playing from behind all the time.


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 1:45 PM]
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

How are Shaq, Big Z, Yao Ming, Emeka Okafor able to get rebounds considering their size, lack of athleticism, and/or overall health?

Shaq when he was younger was as quick, mobile and athletic as any human ever was, despite his size. No need to even bring him up.

I'm talking about the current older out of shape 300+ lb Shaq who still grabs 9-10reb/gm.
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12/2/2006  2:47 PM
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Posted by tkf:
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think KG scored a bunch of 20 point games last season in a ton of losses. He sucks. He is fat. He is lazy. Is that how it goes?

That's a very poor retort and you should feel ashamed even gringing Garnett into this discussion. Shall we look at everything else KG does that Curry doesn't? Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise? You see 2 can play that game. KG gives double digit rebounding, 2blks, and 4-5ast and he's done this almost 10yrs straight and started after his 3rd yr in the league.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 11:31 AM]

I think his retort is fitting to the logic used by you in this thread.
Swap Curry for KG and what do you think happens to this franchise?

hmmm, why do that, lets look at what has happened to the wolves franchise last year and this year so far.... Last year they missed the playoffs, and this year, they are struggling...... Yea, I see your point....

So are you saying that no matter what Curry and KG do that their teams overall are very bad? Should we use other players as comparisons such as Tim Duncan, Paul Gasol, Elton Brand, Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Jermaine O'neal, etc etc?

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 12:51 PM]

Not at all, I am just responding to you, since you told another poster that using garnett was basically a bad comparison, and implied that putting garnett in curry's place would make a difference to our franchise. And all I am asking you is how much of a difference has he made for the wolves recently... Now that is a simple questnion.. As far as bringing in Duncan and shaq, feel free, but no one is comparing curry to those great players, so feel free. I don't see what you will prove by doing so...
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12/2/2006  2:52 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
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Curry is giving us 6.4 boards a game. We are out rebounding most teams so it is not a problem. I see at least 1-2 rebounds a game Curry is in position for but he lets Qrich, Dlee or Francis grab them instead. He could fight for them but they are his teammates. The one time he did fight for it with Frye the ball goes out of bounds. Thats happened with frye and others as well. If Curry grabbed those 1-2 boards a game by being selfish he would be over 8 boards in 31 minutes.


Ok sure this has happened pretty much every game this yr. So do other players on the team do what Curry does? When Curry came in the game yesterday at 6:00min mark in the 4th qrt he had 3reb. He finished with 5reb. There have been plenty games like this where he gets some empty stats toward the end of games. The rebounding is being taken care of by committee on the team but it would be better if Curry lead the team and just maybe that would greatly contribute to solving the problem with the team playing from behind all the time.


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-02-2006 1:45 PM]


If Curry is worried about his own stats above the team he will fight his own teammates for boards. If he isnt then he will continue to let them grab them. I wouldnt mind Curry grabbing them because maybe it would force his critics to go to a new stat to bash him. I mean the difference between Curry being a good rebounder and a bad rebounder in 30 minutes is 1.6 boards a game
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