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12/3/2006  8:27 AM
Posted by islesfan:

I'm not sure why this is noteworthy but I'll tell you exactly why it's happening. It's not because Curry is having a breakout year or has improved much. It's because they're making a concerted effort to give him the ball more.

He's averaging a few more shots a game and therefore he's averaging 2 points more than last year. He's put up these kinds of numbers before by the way. In his last 2 years with Chicago.

I'd be more impressed if he didn't let every point guard come into the lane for easy layups. Especially at crunch time. Did you see TJ Ford coming in for a layup any damn time he pleased?
That's why he's a liability and his net impact on the game is negative even if he is scoring right now. We could get plenty of scoring from other positions and do better if we had a center who could be presence on defense. I'd even say Kurt Thomas is a better center.
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12/3/2006  8:33 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
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He was good at piling up useless stats on a garbage team while giving up more than he contributes. Eddy has a lot in common with him.

That garbage team made the playoffs with Smith. Good call,lol. NOT!

They made the playoffs once in four years and went 127 - 201 with Charles Smith. If that's not garbage, I don't know what is. But if that's how low your expectations are, I'm not surprised you like Eddy.
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12/3/2006  10:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm not sure why this is noteworthy but I'll tell you exactly why it's happening. It's not because Curry is having a breakout year or has improved much. It's because they're making a concerted effort to give him the ball more.

He's averaging a few more shots a game and therefore he's averaging 2 points more than last year. He's put up these kinds of numbers before by the way. In his last 2 years with Chicago.

I'd be more impressed if he didn't let every point guard come into the lane for easy layups. Especially at crunch time. Did you see TJ Ford coming in for a layup any damn time he pleased?
That's why he's a liability and his net impact on the game is negative even if he is scoring right now. We could get plenty of scoring from other positions and do better if we had a center who could be presence on defense. I'd even say Kurt Thomas is a better center.

I would not say that Curry is a net negative for the team. He is scoring points and creating opportunities for our guards to score and getting the other team in foul trouble. That is huge for this offense. I agree that his defense last not was not good, especially his help defense. But it also was not as bad as it was in the beginning of the year. Curry is on a great run right now and this team is starting to develop a sense of what it wants to do in the 4th quarter.

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12/3/2006  10:29 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He was good at piling up useless stats on a garbage team while giving up more than he contributes. Eddy has a lot in common with him.

That garbage team made the playoffs with Smith. Good call,lol. NOT!

They made the playoffs once in four years and went 127 - 201 with Charles Smith. If that's not garbage, I don't know what is. But if that's how low your expectations are, I'm not surprised you like Eddy.


How many times did that team make the playoffs without smith before and after him? 0 for like a 18 year stretch. Before Smith blew out his knee he was a legit player
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/3/2006  11:44 AM
I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.

Curry is causing less offensive fouls and seems to be a bit more relaxed when getting the ball in the post. He passed out of the post too, something he rarely did last year. Curry is getting better post position this year.

He still can't rebound, box out, play help defense or play man-to-man defense. When his guy sets a pick for PG, Curry ends up picking his OWN MAN. In the history of basketball I have never seen that. Not once.
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12/3/2006  12:07 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He was good at piling up useless stats on a garbage team while giving up more than he contributes. Eddy has a lot in common with him.

That garbage team made the playoffs with Smith. Good call,lol. NOT!

They made the playoffs once in four years and went 127 - 201 with Charles Smith. If that's not garbage, I don't know what is. But if that's how low your expectations are, I'm not surprised you like Eddy.


How many times did that team make the playoffs without smith before and after him?

Right. I didn't say Smith hurt the team; rather he was a high stat NON-IMPACT player--just like Eddy. They were a .400 team before and after him--remind you of a team in NY?


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12/3/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm not sure why this is noteworthy but I'll tell you exactly why it's happening. It's not because Curry is having a breakout year or has improved much. It's because they're making a concerted effort to give him the ball more.

He's averaging a few more shots a game and therefore he's averaging 2 points more than last year. He's put up these kinds of numbers before by the way. In his last 2 years with Chicago.

I'd be more impressed if he didn't let every point guard come into the lane for easy layups. Especially at crunch time. Did you see TJ Ford coming in for a layup any damn time he pleased?
That's why he's a liability and his net impact on the game is negative even if he is scoring right now. We could get plenty of scoring from other positions and do better if we had a center who could be presence on defense. I'd even say Kurt Thomas is a better center.

I would not say that Curry is a net negative for the team.
He's probably a neutral impact where the positives and negatives roughly cancel out. It's sad that that's the case about a player with his gifted body.
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12/3/2006  12:10 PM
I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.
I missed yesterday's game but I don't think his increased scoring is the result of any of those factors. He doesn't look like he's in better shape. I think he's just playing more min and getting the ball more.
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12/3/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.
I missed yesterday's game but I don't think his increased scoring is the result of any of those factors. He doesn't look like he's in better shape. I think he's just playing more min and getting the ball more.


He is is much better shape. He is running the court from box to box for most the game. He beats guards down the court on some plays. You should have watched yesterdays game. One key play late had Curry beat all the knicks and raptors down court. No raptor big was in sight so it was Curry under the rim guarded by TJ ford. He had beat so many down court that Qrich had to yell to Jcraw near mid court to throw the lob. Thats how much time it took for players to catch up
By the way it would be hard for even bashers not to say he was a dominant offensive force in the 4th qtr. The raptors were helpless. He scored 16 and probably could have had more if they kept milking him
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/3/2006  12:20 PM
Posted by martin:

I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.

Curry is causing less offensive fouls and seems to be a bit more relaxed when getting the ball in the post. He passed out of the post too, something he rarely did last year. Curry is getting better post position this year.

He still can't rebound, box out, play help defense or play man-to-man defense. When he guy sets a pick for PG, Curry ends up picking his OWN MAN. In the history of basketball I have never seen that. Not once.

We never saw the left hand before. Now its a major weapon. we never saw the drop steps and the spins before. The facial he gave to Bosh off a late double team was awesome. He is obviously working on his game. The 2 missed thress late in the game from Q and Jcraw came on Eddy kick backs. He had another assist last night. I think thats 10 in a month when he only had 19 all last season
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/3/2006  12:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.
I missed yesterday's game but I don't think his increased scoring is the result of any of those factors. He doesn't look like he's in better shape. I think he's just playing more min and getting the ball more.

Bonn, Curry is in MUCH better shape than last year. Check out his calves more closely. They are more shapely this year.

After about 5 minutes of play last year you would see Curry turn to the bench and ask out. Less fouling is also a way to tell.
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12/3/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by martin:

I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.

Curry is causing less offensive fouls and seems to be a bit more relaxed when getting the ball in the post. He passed out of the post too, something he rarely did last year. Curry is getting better post position this year.

He still can't rebound, box out, play help defense or play man-to-man defense. When he guy sets a pick for PG, Curry ends up picking his OWN MAN. In the history of basketball I have never seen that. Not once.

We never saw the left hand before. Now its a major weapon. we never saw the drop steps and the spins before. The facial he gave to Bosh off a late double team was awesome. He is obviously working on his game. The 2 missed thress late in the game from Q and Jcraw came on Eddy kick backs. He had another assist last night. I think thats 10 in a month when he only had 19 all last season

Great call! You beat me to computer keys (lol). Anyway, Aguirre's work with Curry is finally paying off. Like you said the use of the left hand, the spin moves, drop steps, we haven't see any of this from Curry. On top of that, you can see in his face that his confidence is sky high.

We need another shooter to play alongside Curry because he is drawing double teams snd needs another shooter to kick it out to. Q and Craw both missed wide open three's that Curry kicked back to them late in the game. To say that Curry's offensive production isa negative just isnt paying attention.
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12/3/2006  12:48 PM
Posted by martin:
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I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.
I missed yesterday's game but I don't think his increased scoring is the result of any of those factors. He doesn't look like he's in better shape. I think he's just playing more min and getting the ball more.

Bonn, Curry is in MUCH better shape than last year. Check out his calves more closely. They are more shapely this year.

After about 5 minutes of play last year you would see Curry turn to the bench and ask out. Less fouling is also a way to tell.
I haven't stared at his calves, but the consensus on that thread with tons of pics labelled something like "Eddy Curry is the same exact player as last year" was that he looked the same as or even fatter than last year.

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12/3/2006  12:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.
I missed yesterday's game but I don't think his increased scoring is the result of any of those factors. He doesn't look like he's in better shape. I think he's just playing more min and getting the ball more.

Bonn, Curry is in MUCH better shape than last year. Check out his calves more closely. They are more shapely this year.

After about 5 minutes of play last year you would see Curry turn to the bench and ask out. Less fouling is also a way to tell.
I haven't stared at his calves, but the consensus on that thread with tons of pics labelled something like "Eddy Curry is the same exact player as last year" was that he looked the same as or even fatter than last year.

well, all I know is that Curry is still overweight for a professional athlete. Dude still needs to lose weight (and this was AFTER a summer with Tim Grover).

He has nice calves though. Arms are a bit flabby.
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12/3/2006  12:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
I have seen real improvement from Curry on the O end of things, but I can't figure out if it's improvement from skill and/or recognition or just because he is in better shape than last year and can do more things because of it.
I missed yesterday's game but I don't think his increased scoring is the result of any of those factors. He doesn't look like he's in better shape. I think he's just playing more min and getting the ball more.

Bonn, Curry is in MUCH better shape than last year. Check out his calves more closely. They are more shapely this year.

After about 5 minutes of play last year you would see Curry turn to the bench and ask out. Less fouling is also a way to tell.
I haven't stared at his calves, but the consensus on that thread with tons of pics labelled something like "Eddy Curry is the same exact player as last year" was that he looked the same as or even fatter than last year.

Those pics were 6 weeks ago. Playing 30 minutes a night with obvious practice has toned him up every where but his butt. Check out his arms and face.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/3/2006  12:58 PM
you know what? f Tim Grover. I want Curry to hang and work out with the Mailman for the summer.
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12/3/2006  10:00 PM
Or hang out with the old Georgetown crew. They'll whip him into shape. I think Curry is in better shape, simply b/c he's not nearly as winded, but at the same time, he's not nearly where he needs to be. He's still lazy on the D and boards.
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12/3/2006  10:07 PM
LOL, dudes be checking out Curry's calves and butt.
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12/3/2006  10:35 PM
While most of the Knicks were relaxing in the off-limits players lounge before Saturday’s game, Eddy Curry was on the court working on post moves with assistants Herb Williams and Mark Aguirre. He’s got six 20-point games in a row. “I’m feeling real good right now,” Curry said. “Honestly, I’m feeling like whenever I catch it around the basket, I’m going to score. I feel like my teammates realize that and they’re looking for me.”
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/3/2006  10:41 PM
Sugar, I don't get this. I'm enjoying all the little Curry blurbs you're providing us but I feel like you're posting them because you think people are talking bad about Eddy's offense and your trying to prove a point. We ALL know how good Eddy has been offensively lately and not one person is complaining about the offense he's brought us. People ARE complaining about his man-man defense, his help defense, and his rebounding because they are canceling out any positive offensive production Eddy has provided.

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