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Solace
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12/1/2006  3:32 PM
Posted by PresIke:

My question is a more of a self-awareness check for Knick fans. Are we more swift to boo those we have the highest expectations for and does that increase the propensity for those that don't reach those expectations to resort to their own frustration with the situation, and inability to meet those expectations?

Absolutely, and rightfully so. Marbury came in with impossible expectations, from most, of being the franchise savior, and leading this team to an eventual championship, regardless of whether we could surround him with the right players. On a side note, this is why you NEVER build a team around a PG. Good PGs are the most abundant resource in the league. Star big men are the least, and most valuable to a team.

However, that having been said, I don't think anyone is being unfair to Marbury. He's putting up the worst stats of his career, his team is losing just as much or more, he's making dumb comments to the media on a daily basis, and he's already gotten multiple coaches fired, and now has his dream coach turning on him. If anything, I think we've been too easy on Marbury. He really is a brat. If only we could fire Marbury and void part of his contract, like we did to LB.
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12/1/2006  4:45 PM
On a side note, this is why you NEVER build a team around a PG. Good PGs are the most abundant resource in the league. Star big men are the least, and most valuable to a team.

Depends what you mean by "good PG".

Maybe what you mean is....never build around Stephon Marbury?


(ie: Payton, Kidd, Robertson, Stockton, West, Cousy, Magic, Nash, etc, etc.)
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12/1/2006  5:07 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
On a side note, this is why you NEVER build a team around a PG. Good PGs are the most abundant resource in the league. Star big men are the least, and most valuable to a team.

Depends what you mean by "good PG".

Maybe what you mean is....never build around Stephon Marbury?


(ie: Payton, Kidd, Robertson, Stockton, West, Cousy, Magic, Nash, etc, etc.)

Marbury was brought in. On a team with Houston, Van Horn, Mutombo, Kurt Thomas, and a solid bench, not bad...

Then we trade away a lot of that strength and built an undertalented running team around Marbury. This flunked badly. Phoenix didn't *build* around Nash, they built around Amare and Marion, and brought in Nash to compliment those players. That's the difference. Same with Kidd. He was (a star in his own right) brought in to help compliment the young talented core they had (Martin, Van Horn, Kittles).

Having a top PG is great, but you couldn't put any PG on a team that had Nazr, KT, TT and Craw as your starters, with an, honestly, awful bench, and expect to be a good team. That's one of the reasons why Isiah's GMing was just so bad. You need that big man and another very good player, then bring in Marbury. Don't tear apart the team to build it around Marbury, because he's not good enough to get you there.

Either way, Cancerbury is definitely the wrong fit, and I totally agree with any views that state this. He needs to go, but even if Marbury succeeded in NY, Isiah's plan was a failure from the getgo.
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12/1/2006  6:35 PM
Posted by MS:

Ewing never had an awesome team around him laughable

97 LJ, Starks, Oakly, Houston, two great defenders at the pg position Ward Childs

99 LJ, Sprewell, Houston, Camby, Thomas, Childs, Wards, Dudley you give me a team with depth like that, with defenders, rebounders, slasher, shooters (Injured LJ in the finals, hurt Childs, no Ewing lets remember)

come on watch the games....

Starks not great. An overachiever who was overmatched many a night. Not as great as most seem to remember.
LJ: Injured and a shadow of the real LJ.
Oakley, a nice player, named an all-star once in his career because of injuries to 3 other REAL all-stars.
Wards/Childs = the worst PG duo in the NBA at that time, not great defensive players, exactly the opposite, they got lit up by every PG in the NBA including Mark Jackson every time he came to town.

99 team was better, Ewing was breaking down by then. Sprewell had seen his best years in Golden state already, LJ even more broken down by then. Thomas, Childs, Ward, Dudley, Awesome? You got to be kidding me. Ewing got Houston 3-4 years too late because of Ewing's age. Camby? Good then, muuuuuuch better now. Injury prone.

The only player who was 'awesome' was Ewing.

I watched the games, but I won't trample on your nostalgia.

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[Edited by - oohah on 01-12-2006 6:38 PM]
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12/1/2006  7:08 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by PresIke:

My question is a more of a self-awareness check for Knick fans. Are we more swift to boo those we have the highest expectations for and does that increase the propensity for those that don't reach those expectations to resort to their own frustration with the situation, and inability to meet those expectations?

Absolutely, and rightfully so. Marbury came in with impossible expectations, from most, of being the franchise savior, and leading this team to an eventual championship, regardless of whether we could surround him with the right players

i've never expected Marbury to bring this franchise a championship... all i ever wanted out of him was to be a good teammate, make his teammates better, & be a big improvement over Howard Eisley/Charlie Ward... right now i'd kill to have Charlie back the way he was playing & not having to deal w/all the baggage that Marbury brings.
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12/1/2006  7:11 PM
Posted by TMS:

i've never expected Marbury to bring this franchise a championship... all i ever wanted out of him was to be a good teammate, make his teammates better, & be a big improvement over Howard Eisley/Charlie Ward... right now i'd kill to have Charlie back the way he was playing & not having to deal w/all the baggage that Marbury brings.

Have to agree with you again, TMS.

My thoughts on Marbury echo what TMS said. I never expected Marbury to bring a championship to NY by himself because it was evident he could not do that because of his performance with other teams. I just wanted Marbury to be a good PG and to be a team leader, playing for the Knicks was his shot to reinvent his image and he really did a poor job with that. I always thought Marbury was a very good player who just needed to tone his game down to better his teammates and he would have a nice career, it's now evident that Marbury either has to be the top dog or a dead-dog because there is no medium for Stephon.

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12/1/2006  7:17 PM
i was very optimistic about Stephon when he got traded here... i knew all about his bad reputation but just like you i thought he'd take this chance to renew his image in a positive light & run with it... returning home to play in front of his family & friends, you'd think he'd make sure not to screw this opportunity of a lifetime up... instead he chose to believe that he was the franchise & that everyone else needed to cater to HIS needs, instead of him doing whatever he could to cater to the needs of the franchise... backwards logic at its finest.
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