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Bonn1997
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11/28/2006  7:04 PM
Posted by Solace:

The irony is that many of the Balkman supporters supported him before they even saw him play. Let's just call that... odd.

It still was a bad pick, but like I said, he'd be a decent role player.

I agree with Fish that Balkman can be a star. He's obviously got athleticism but he also has impressive ball-handling, passing, and shot-blocking for an SF.
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11/28/2006  8:55 PM
Mike Breen asked Balkman before the game:

"So, Renaldo, once you found out you were starting tonight, who was the first person you called?"


Balkman's response:

"I'm starting!?"
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11/29/2006  9:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree with Fish that Balkman can be a star. He's obviously got athleticism but he also has impressive ball-handling, passing, and shot-blocking for an SF.

Ok. Fish, correct me if I'm wrong, but the claim that Balkman could be a star, was only a comment on potential, and the real point of Fish's post was that we could've had Balkman at 29. You took his comment out of context.

Anyway, I'll indulge. I like Balkman's style of play. I don't think he's good enough to be a star, but hey, anything's possible. He plays hard. You need players like that to support your stars. The problem is we don't have those stars to support, so players like Balkman are highlights on a bad team, instead.
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11/29/2006  9:47 AM
Balkman is going to be good. I love the pick. I'm not complaining but man we could have used a PG to run this offense. We have noone capable of running the offense. But of course we knew that because LB told us that last year, even though he was senile.
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11/29/2006  10:08 AM
I love Balkman too. He hasn't suprised in terms of effort because that's what I was expecting to see. Two things have really surprised me about him:

1- passing - he makes some terrible rookie passes (trying to get too fancy, not knowing the best choice, etc) but his vision is definitely above average. He'll only get better at leading the fast break (and finishing too). Also, him and Crawford seem to be the only ones comfortable enough to feed the post. With him and Lee on the floor, I think a true motion offense is definitely possible.

2. shooting - I was pleasantly surprised to see him hit a couple of threes early on. But sometimes, 3 point shooters are not really good shooters. It's a totally different shot than a mid-range. It really is more of a chuck or a heave. But, I've now seen him splash a couple of 15 footers. He shot's not very wet yet, but over time, if he can develop a decent shot, then there's nothing he couldn't do.

It's all up to him. If he works really hard on his shot and heightens his already excellent defensive instincts, he could become as good if not better than Kirilenko.
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11/29/2006  10:10 AM
Posted by efw:

I love Balkman too. He hasn't suprised in terms of effort because that's what I was expecting to see. Two things have really surprised me about him:

1- passing - he makes some terrible rookie passes (trying to get too fancy, not knowing the best choice, etc) but his vision is definitely above average. He'll only get better at leading the fast break (and finishing too). Also, him and Crawford seem to be the only ones comfortable enough to feed the post. With him and Lee on the floor, I think a true motion offense is definitely possible.

2. shooting - I was pleasantly surprised to see him hit a couple of threes early on. But sometimes, 3 point shooters are not really good shooters. It's a totally different shot than a mid-range. It really is more of a chuck or a heave. But, I've now seen him splash a couple of 15 footers. He shot's not very wet yet, but over time, if he can develop a decent shot, then there's nothing he couldn't do.

It's all up to him. If he works really hard on his shot and heightens his already excellent defensive instincts, he could become as good if not better than Kirilenko.

yes. This summer will show us what Balkman can be as a pro. We he be like Marb and just do more of the same his entire career, or will he be like Lee and improve a weak area of his game by leaps and bounds.
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11/29/2006  10:22 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree with Fish that Balkman can be a star. He's obviously got athleticism but he also has impressive ball-handling, passing, and shot-blocking for an SF.

Ok. Fish, correct me if I'm wrong, but the claim that Balkman could be a star, was only a comment on potential

My comment is only on potential for improving his current skill set as well.
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11/29/2006  10:32 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by efw:

I love Balkman too. He hasn't suprised in terms of effort because that's what I was expecting to see. Two things have really surprised me about him:

1- passing - he makes some terrible rookie passes (trying to get too fancy, not knowing the best choice, etc) but his vision is definitely above average. He'll only get better at leading the fast break (and finishing too). Also, him and Crawford seem to be the only ones comfortable enough to feed the post. With him and Lee on the floor, I think a true motion offense is definitely possible.

2. shooting - I was pleasantly surprised to see him hit a couple of threes early on. But sometimes, 3 point shooters are not really good shooters. It's a totally different shot than a mid-range. It really is more of a chuck or a heave. But, I've now seen him splash a couple of 15 footers. He shot's not very wet yet, but over time, if he can develop a decent shot, then there's nothing he couldn't do.

It's all up to him. If he works really hard on his shot and heightens his already excellent defensive instincts, he could become as good if not better than Kirilenko.

yes. This summer will show us what Balkman can be as a pro. We he be like Marb and just do more of the same his entire career, or will he be like Lee and improve a weak area of his game by leaps and bounds.

I do agree Martin - but I think we can give him several years to show significant improvement. Usually, the area in which a player most improves after their first year is general experience and understanding of the pro game (when to foul, how to stay out of foul trouble, how to double, etc.) Lee's game hasn't really improved that much (although his foul shooting appears to be much better), but he instincts are able to shine clearer because he's much more calm and composed.

I think it takes a player several years to find his shot in the pros. It took Redd a little while. Kobe too.
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11/29/2006  10:36 AM
Posted by efw:
Posted by martin:
Posted by efw:

I love Balkman too. He hasn't suprised in terms of effort because that's what I was expecting to see. Two things have really surprised me about him:

1- passing - he makes some terrible rookie passes (trying to get too fancy, not knowing the best choice, etc) but his vision is definitely above average. He'll only get better at leading the fast break (and finishing too). Also, him and Crawford seem to be the only ones comfortable enough to feed the post. With him and Lee on the floor, I think a true motion offense is definitely possible.

2. shooting - I was pleasantly surprised to see him hit a couple of threes early on. But sometimes, 3 point shooters are not really good shooters. It's a totally different shot than a mid-range. It really is more of a chuck or a heave. But, I've now seen him splash a couple of 15 footers. He shot's not very wet yet, but over time, if he can develop a decent shot, then there's nothing he couldn't do.

It's all up to him. If he works really hard on his shot and heightens his already excellent defensive instincts, he could become as good if not better than Kirilenko.

yes. This summer will show us what Balkman can be as a pro. We he be like Marb and just do more of the same his entire career, or will he be like Lee and improve a weak area of his game by leaps and bounds.

I do agree Martin - but I think we can give him several years to show significant improvement. Usually, the area in which a player most improves after their first year is general experience and understanding of the pro game (when to foul, how to stay out of foul trouble, how to double, etc.) Lee's game hasn't really improved that much (although his foul shooting appears to be much better), but he instincts are able to shine clearer because he's much more calm and composed.

I think it takes a player several years to find his shot in the pros. It took Redd a little while. Kobe too.

Right, I was talking about FT shooting with Lee. I just want to see one little thing improve with Balkman over the summer, that will show me enough to know that he is learning as a pro. Nate has better shot selection and plays more under control. Like that.
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11/29/2006  10:58 AM
I think balkman did well
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11/29/2006  2:32 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Ok. Fish, correct me if I'm wrong, but the claim that Balkman could be a star, was only a comment on potential

My comment is only on potential for improving his current skill set as well.
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Ok fair enough. I was just surprised how you only responded to part of his point.
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11/29/2006  2:48 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Ok. Fish, correct me if I'm wrong, but the claim that Balkman could be a star, was only a comment on potential

My comment is only on potential for improving his current skill set as well.

Ok fair enough. I was just surprised how you only responded to part of his point.
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Oh, the reason I replied only to that part is just that the argument about taking him at 29 instead of 20 is old and beaten to death. I didn't really want to get into that argument again.
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11/29/2006  2:50 PM
Fair enough. Also, my quote tag got messed up. That makes me so mad I could kill someone.

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Balkman leads the Knicks in blocks with 0.81 per game- in 11.3 minutes.
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