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TrueBlue
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11/28/2006  12:22 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

biedrins is playing duncan tough. just blocked him on a move. fun game.

16 pts, 11 rebs, 4 blks with 8+ mins left in the game, GS 85 - 82 spurs


Did you see those last few possessions it's everything Curry nor no other froncourt player on this team is. Lee is a hustler but not quite like this guy. He's a Freak.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-27-2006 11:22 PM]
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11/28/2006  12:24 AM
damn man, GS just went on a 11-0 run on the spurs.
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11/28/2006  5:27 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

8 mins to go in the 2nd quarter vs. the spurs

biedrins has 10 pts, 6 boards, and 3 blocks.

that's a full night for Curry.

Maybe in points and rebounds, in Blocks that is a month and a half for Curry (Curry has five blocks all season).
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11/28/2006  8:58 AM
So is this guy the new flavor of the week around here?

and where in the hell is Latvia? Is that where Dr. Doom is from?
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11/28/2006  9:04 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

8 mins to go in the 2nd quarter vs. the spurs

biedrins has 10 pts, 6 boards, and 3 blocks.

that's a full night for Curry.

Maybe in points and rebounds, in Blocks that is a month and a half for Curry (Curry has five blocks all season).

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11/28/2006  11:43 AM
It pretty funny that in 4 out of the last 9 games the kid has matched or bettered Curry's total for blocked shots for the entire season....
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11/28/2006  11:49 AM
That team has some serious young talent in place with pietrus, richardson, ellis, biedrins, and diago

I love our guys but you look at players like that and you see starters over rotation players which is a big difference over what isiah has brought in.....I would rather take each one of those guys stacked up against our kids, which is saying a lot because you have to love david lee
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11/28/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by MS:

That team has some serious young talent in place with pietrus, richardson, ellis, biedrins, and diago

I love our guys but you look at players like that and you see starters over rotation players which is a big difference over what isiah has brought in.....I would rather take each one of those guys stacked up against our kids, which is saying a lot because you have to love david lee

let's leave Richardson out of the equation here since the Knicks have never had a pick as high as the #5 overall... at that range you expect to get a franchise calibre player... i'm not so sure J. Rich is that at this point in his career.


Diogu - taken #9 overall / Frye - taken #8 overall
my choice = based on last year's play, Frye... based on this year's play Diogu... overall, i would probably take Diogu due to Frye's lack of quickness, his clumsiness on the floor & bad defensive instincts... if Frye can get back to the way he was playing last season when he was lighter, more mobile & a whole lot more explosive, then i take Frye.

Pietrus - taken #11 overall / Balkman - taken #20 overall
my choice = Balkman

Ellis - taken #40 overall / Nate - taken #21 overall
my choice = tough choice here... i love Nate's energy & grit, but Ellis is putting up some pretty good #'s as a SG... both are undersized at their positions... i think if you give Nate the minutes Ellis is getting & he can pretty much match his production... i'll say Nate cuz of the way he gets the crowd into every game.

Biedrins - taken #11 overall / D. Lee - taken #30 overall
my choice - D. Lee - he's not nearly the shotblocker Biedrins is, but he can easily match his pts. & rebounds totals if not exceed them w/starter's minutes, & he's also a very good passer & has the leadership intangible that not many players have.
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11/28/2006  12:19 PM
You would take Balkman over Pietrus, the guy is a protypical sf, can play the two has an NBA body which balkman does not and has good range. Balkman is a garbage guy off the bench, you put Pietrus on most NBA teams he is a starter.

Frye has proven to be a one dimensional player, he needs to be our guy off the bench and lost the weight he added this year because he is much worse defensively with all that added weight.
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11/28/2006  12:27 PM
Balkman sure didn't look like garbage the other night when he put up 10 - 13 - 3 in 24 minutes & almost singlehandedly spurred the Knicks' comeback from a 22 pt. halftime deficit... that's not the first game he's had like that either this season... give Balkman more opportunities & i think he can do that on a more regular basis... i like Balkman & he's my choice.
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11/28/2006  1:18 PM
crzymdups,

Jeffries, Lee and Balkman are not "BIGS."

And secondly, I like the way you went out of your way to emphasize your point about the word - young, but you seriously failed to address your misguided comment about the Warriors losing 140-130 every night, thus lowering the impact Biedrins has on the team.

GS just beat Utah and the Spurs.

Again, wake up.
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11/28/2006  1:39 PM
First off the liklihood of drafting a franchise player anywhere varies, but mid-lottery is not a typical spot. So Richardson is more likely to be a franchise player but if you look at the ACTUAL # of "franchise" players that are in the NBA they are few and far in between over many years. Franchise players are essentially HOF type guys. A lot of times it's not just skill, but coaching, team construction, and a little bit of luck that tell the story.

Secondly, I wonder if we can also compare Biedrins to teams like Toronto and Cleveland who missed the ball BIG time. At our actual pick (which Utah used) that season Biedrins wou,d have been gone anyway.

[Edited by - PresIke on 11-28-2006 1:41 PM]
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11/28/2006  1:50 PM
the 2004 and 2003 drafts thus far look good for top 5-8 picks (although few REALLY jump out and make you go WHOA from 2004) but check 2002, 2001, 2000. Then 1999, we get some great talent, but some have fallen off after early strong years (Francis, Szerbiack) some changin teams during their prime years (Miller, Francis, Sczerbiak, Odom, Davis) one bust (Bender), and one very strong player who has won titles, but is ot a superstar (Hamilton). Later we have Marion and Artest, but they weren't top 5-8.

1998, the top 5 are almost all no where near the expectation level, other than Vince, and it is later that we have Pierce and Nowitszki.

Point is, most players do not meet such high expectations, a few surpass them, and many either turn out to be servicable or have good or very good careers

[Edited by - PresIke on 11-28-2006 1:51 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 11-28-2006 1:52 PM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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11/28/2006  2:27 PM
Posted by PresIke:

First off the liklihood of drafting a franchise player anywhere varies, but mid-lottery is not a typical spot. So Richardson is more likely to be a franchise player but if you look at the ACTUAL # of "franchise" players that are in the NBA they are few and far in between over many years. Franchise players are essentially HOF type guys. A lot of times it's not just skill, but coaching, team construction, and a little bit of luck that tell the story.

this is all true, but the point i was responding to was whether or not the Warriors had superior young talent than the Knicks do at every position... i don't think that's the case... they are pretty comparable in terms of overall talent & ability imo, other than Jason Richardson who was taken very high in the draft who has legitimate superstar potential & ability & looked to be well on his way to realizing that potential after the great stats he put up last season, but this year he's regressed... whether that's due to injury or some other factors, i'm not sure... for a #5 overall pick i would expect more than what he's giving them this year though, just like Knick fans expect more out of Eddy Curry this season.
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11/28/2006  2:33 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by PresIke:

First off the liklihood of drafting a franchise player anywhere varies, but mid-lottery is not a typical spot. So Richardson is more likely to be a franchise player but if you look at the ACTUAL # of "franchise" players that are in the NBA they are few and far in between over many years. Franchise players are essentially HOF type guys. A lot of times it's not just skill, but coaching, team construction, and a little bit of luck that tell the story.

this is all true, but the point i was responding to was whether or not the Warriors had superior young talent than the Knicks do at every position... i don't think that's the case... they are pretty comparable in terms of overall talent & ability imo, other than Jason Richardson who was taken very high in the draft who has legitimate superstar potential & ability & looked to be well on his way to realizing that potential after the great stats he put up last season, but this year he's regressed... whether that's due to injury or some other factors, i'm not sure... for a #5 overall pick i would expect more than what he's giving them this year though, just like Knick fans expect more out of Eddy Curry this season.

I agree, actually.
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11/28/2006  2:35 PM
of course you do.
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11/28/2006  2:38 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by PresIke:

First off the liklihood of drafting a franchise player anywhere varies, but mid-lottery is not a typical spot. So Richardson is more likely to be a franchise player but if you look at the ACTUAL # of "franchise" players that are in the NBA they are few and far in between over many years. Franchise players are essentially HOF type guys. A lot of times it's not just skill, but coaching, team construction, and a little bit of luck that tell the story.

this is all true, but the point i was responding to was whether or not the Warriors had superior young talent than the Knicks do at every position... i don't think that's the case... they are pretty comparable in terms of overall talent & ability imo, other than Jason Richardson who was taken very high in the draft who has legitimate superstar potential & ability & looked to be well on his way to realizing that potential after the great stats he put up last season, but this year he's regressed... whether that's due to injury or some other factors, i'm not sure... for a #5 overall pick i would expect more than what he's giving them this year though, just like Knick fans expect more out of Eddy Curry this season.

jrich had knee surgery this offseason.
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11/28/2006  3:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by PresIke:

First off the liklihood of drafting a franchise player anywhere varies, but mid-lottery is not a typical spot. So Richardson is more likely to be a franchise player but if you look at the ACTUAL # of "franchise" players that are in the NBA they are few and far in between over many years. Franchise players are essentially HOF type guys. A lot of times it's not just skill, but coaching, team construction, and a little bit of luck that tell the story.

this is all true, but the point i was responding to was whether or not the Warriors had superior young talent than the Knicks do at every position... i don't think that's the case... they are pretty comparable in terms of overall talent & ability imo, other than Jason Richardson who was taken very high in the draft who has legitimate superstar potential & ability & looked to be well on his way to realizing that potential after the great stats he put up last season, but this year he's regressed... whether that's due to injury or some other factors, i'm not sure... for a #5 overall pick i would expect more than what he's giving them this year though, just like Knick fans expect more out of Eddy Curry this season.

jrich had knee surgery this offseason.

thanks dj... wasn't aware of that... that would explain the dropoff then.
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11/28/2006  3:53 PM
Posted by MS:

Sometimes I think people don't have a clue, and this only enforces it, you wouldn't trade French Frye a player that hasn't grabbed 10 rebounds the entire year for a player that has already bettered Fryes rebounding/block shot career highes in 8 games, 3 times.

Frye can't create a shot or get garbage buckets something big men are supposed to be able to do.

Nevermind they have scorers prospering and he is getting most of his points around the basket, Ellis, Davis, Dunleavy, Murphy, Pietrus, Richardson are all getting more shots and he is scoring in double figures.

We have a false sense of our bigs here, if your saying lee is off limits fine, but those other two clowns that couldn't guard a park car can leave whenever they are ready

I watched some of the GSW games. Biedrins is for real. The guy is a rebounding machine and blocks and changes a lot of shots. Plus, although he is not as big as Curry, he has Curry's knack for scoring around the basket. Curry probably has more developed offensive moves, but not by much. Frye is a better outside shooter, but Biedrins is a solid NBA center. I would probably take him over any of our frontcourt players right now, especially since he is only 20 years old and will get better.
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11/28/2006  4:08 PM
The only reason I can see why any poster wouldn't take Biedrins over our frontcourt players would be because of some "sick" reason such as wanting to be abel to say "I said so," "Man up," or some other loser mentality statement.
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