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joec32033
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11/26/2006  7:00 PM
Posted by Rich:

Stupid rules should be ignored.

Do you ignore stupid rules at your job?

In order to establish a true winning atmosphere you have to fall back before you go forward.

Skiles is the coach, and a fairly decent one at that. Wallace was brought in to be a leader on this young team. The coach asked the leader of the team to do something. If the coach let's the player walk all over him and just not listen to him, you get last year. If the coach and the gm don't present a united front, and let the leader of the team get away with not listening to the coach, you get what happened last year.
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11/26/2006  8:46 PM
wearing a headband is in no way detrimental. that would be like saying you can't wear a red tie to work....it's idiotic. What makes it worse is that a headband is useful because it keeps sweat out of the eyes. sounds like skiles is trying to pick a fight with ben wallace - he's worn a headband for as long as i can remember.
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11/26/2006  8:54 PM
Posted by nyballer:

wearing a headband is in no way detrimental. that would be like saying you can't wear a red tie to work....it's idiotic. What makes it worse is that a headband is useful because it keeps sweat out of the eyes. sounds like skiles is trying to pick a fight with ben wallace - he's worn a headband for as long as i can remember.

I am not saying I agree with the no headband thing, but a coach has to do what a coach has to do, for lack of a better term.

The only way I feel it is absolutely OK to disobey a coach is in just the most extreme circumstances, and if you are ready to take on the responsibility of disobeying a coach if what you do in spite of the coach fails.

This falls under neither scenario. Skiles may have been overtly anal with the headband thing, but it's just a headband. Wallace has played without one before. Both guys blew it up out of proportion.
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11/26/2006  8:57 PM
HEADS UP: Among his multitude of old-schools rules, Jazz coach Jerry Sloan doesn't permit players to wear headbands.

That, though, didn't slow Utah from drafting three picks -- Brown, Millsap and first-rounder Ronnie Brewer of Arkansas -- who all wore the adornments in college.

Brewer, for one, suggested he'll adjust.

"I'm not gonna complain," he said. "You're in the NBA. If they say you have to wear short shorts, you've got to do it."
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11/26/2006  9:04 PM
Headbands for fashion are stupid.

They have been around for years, I think Wilt was the first to sport one.

If you have a rule, and its a team thing, then you go with it.

To be defiant like that is silly.

15 mil he signed for. The rule Im sure was in place for a while!

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11/26/2006  9:05 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Rich:

Stupid rules should be ignored.

Do you ignore stupid rules at your job?

In order to establish a true winning atmosphere you have to fall back before you go forward.

Skiles is the coach, and a fairly decent one at that. Wallace was brought in to be a leader on this young team. The coach asked the leader of the team to do something. If the coach let's the player walk all over him and just not listen to him, you get last year. If the coach and the gm don't present a united front, and let the leader of the team get away with not listening to the coach, you get what happened last year.

I have always hated arbitrary and capricious exercises of authority.

I complained about them when I worked for other people, and sometimes got them changed, BUT I never had the leverage that Wallace did because he is FAR more important to the organization than I ever was.
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11/26/2006  9:05 PM
FWIW, this headband thing has been brewing for a while. This from a Sam smith Article nearly 6 weeks ago:



Sam Smith
Big Ben could use this helper
Time may be ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers' O'Neal

Published October 16, 2006


...Pistons players close to Wallace say he has bemoaned the Bulls' rule that precludes him from wearing a headband...
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11/26/2006  9:06 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Rich:

Stupid rules should be ignored.

Do you ignore stupid rules at your job?

In order to establish a true winning atmosphere you have to fall back before you go forward.

Skiles is the coach, and a fairly decent one at that. Wallace was brought in to be a leader on this young team. The coach asked the leader of the team to do something. If the coach let's the player walk all over him and just not listen to him, you get last year. If the coach and the gm don't present a united front, and let the leader of the team get away with not listening to the coach, you get what happened last year.

I have always hated arbitrary and capricious exercises of authority.

I complained about them when I worked for other people, and sometimes got them changed, BUT I never had the leverage that Wallace did because he is FAR more important to the organization than I ever was.

He is only far more important at his job than you are at yours (your word) if the GM and owner are not more committed to the coach than to the player they just signed. I personally think the loyalty is gonna fall behind Skiles on that one.
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11/26/2006  9:11 PM
I think Skiles rule is stupid, but he's the person in-charge and obviously had some sort of backing from management, which allowed him to put the rule into effect.

Since this is the case and Skiles has managements backing, Big Ben got what he deserved. If Ben didn't like the rule before he signed than he should have thought twice about signing with the Bulls because it's pretty clear that Skiles isn't going to budge on this rule just because Big Ben thinks he's bigger than the team.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-26-2006 9:11 PM]
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11/26/2006  9:57 PM
skiles and his headband rule (and we can include Jerry Sloan) is up there in stupidity with LB and lets start players based on where they are from.

This reminds me a bit of both coughlin & the giants and Mangini and the jets with their supra micromanagement, absolute style.

Skiles is making it easy for Paxon to replace him with Larry Brown.
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11/26/2006  10:45 PM
I am playing a lot of tennis and I cannot play without the headbend.
After 5-10 min of intensive play I cannot see the ball an concentate because I need to deal with the swet
I am not sure if this is a problem for Ben or not but even if it is he shoud work it out thriugh his agent.
It's a busines and if the contract is required not to use one so Ben should comply.
If this is getting to him physically and affects his game he should tell this to the couch and if the couch is still insisting that it will be clear that he doesn't want him as a player. I guess this is what is going on...

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11/27/2006  1:12 AM
Skiles is being overly controlling here... that's a ridiculous power play on his part that's completely unnecessary... a guy like Ben Wallace of all people is not your typical spoiled primadonna who is all about selfish play on the court... for Skiles to get into it w/this guy who just signed a huge contract to help them win a title over a lousy headband is idiotic.

hey, if CHI would trade us Big Ben for Curry & Frye, i'd take that in a heartbeat... Big Ben can wear all the headbands he wants in NY.
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11/28/2006  9:41 PM
LeBron baffled that Ben's headband bugs Bulls
By Brian Windhorst
Special to ESPN.com

CLEVELAND -- Lounging in a chair and gripping an ergonomic silver pen, LeBron James settled in Tuesday afternoon for a long autograph session for Upper Deck, one of his sponsors.

On this day there were hundreds of things set to be signed -- dozens of basketballs, an entire table full of shoes with various "sign here" labels attached, and lots of cards. But first was a two-inch thick stack of near life-size posters of James throwing down a dunk.

Slowly, in between making sure the pen wasn't dried out, James put a "23" and his name on each poster in the exact same spot, just above another signature item ... his headband.

An avid television watcher and reader, the Cavaliers' star is always up with what is going on in the league. And when it comes to the situation developing in Chicago with fellow All-Star and headband-wearer Ben Wallace, he has a pretty strong opinion.

"I know Ben Wallace has been wearing a headband for long time. I have worn a headband for a long time, probably from when I was 13 years old until now," James said.

"It is a routine. I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't wear one. If it is something you have been doing your whole life -- it doesn't matter what field you're in, athletics or the business side -- if someone comes and tells you to switch your routine up, it is going to mess up your work."

Like most NBA teams, the Cavs don't have a rule against headbands; in fact, sometimes club officials encourage them. Last week, when debuting their new orange throwback uniforms, players were asked to wear headbands, and some who usually don't wear them, like veteran forward Donyell Marshall, wore the orange head wraps.

"I'd be upset if they had some rule about it here. I don't know why it is such a problem," James said. "It's not disrespecting anybody, it's not thinking you're bigger than anyone on the team. Hey, certain people must have their own rules."

In the past James has adhered to appearance guidelines. When he was in high school at St. Vincent-St. Mary in Akron, Ohio, he covered up tattoos on his arms with white bandages because tats were against school rules. One of the first things he did after graduating was grow a goatee, which he has to this day, because facial hair at the parochial school was prohibited.

But now James says he'd make sure there were no rules for him to break before he considered joining a team.

"For me, that's something that would be discussed before signing your contract," James said. "You have your wants, your pros and your cons. If you want me to play for your team, why is the headband an issue? It should come up before you're ever in uniform."

Bulls coach Scott Skiles told media outlets he informed Wallace of the headband policy on the day of his introductory news conference -- after he'd signed his contract.

"I don't have a problem with headbands," Cavs coach Mike Brown said. "We're all adults here and you know that you have to be clean. We all know what that means and what we should and shouldn't wear."

Brian Windhorst covers the NBA for the Akron Beacon Journal and contributes to ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2679038
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11/28/2006  9:53 PM
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
A molehill of an issue
By Scoop Jackson
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Has it really come to this?

A team that is expected to be one of the elite teams in its conference and possibly battle for a trip to the NBA Finals opens the season at 4-9, and when it finally wins on the road after losing six in a row, we're sitting here talking about headbands.

Headbands?

So when Chicago Bulls coach Scott Skiles decided in the one game the Bulls had a chance to win -- one in which his $60 million man had a chance to re-establish himself as the player the team spent $60 million to sign -- that he'd sit Ben Wallace down twice to prove a point or to exercise his power (which he has the right to do), it basically gives public notice to where the team's priorities are and what's more important in the team's direction.

Get a team its defensive swagger back or bench a star player for wearing a headband. Find the defensive chemistry that wins games and stops you from losing large leads in the second half of games or bench a star player for wearing a headband. Develop a consistent offensive rotation so that each player knows what his exact role is from game to game or bench a star player for wearing a headband.

The choice is theirs.

And the Chicago Bulls choose to be more concerned about professional images and subliminal messages sent.

The headband rule began before Wallace came to the Bulls. Apparently the execs and hierarchy didn't like the way Eddie Robinson and Eddy Curry were rocking theirs. Too black, too wrong.

So general manager John Paxson (not Skiles) instituted (mandated, whatever word is most appropriate here) a team policy, similar to George Steinbrenner's facial hair and grooming policy with the Yankees, that when playing for the Chicago Bulls you cannot wear headbands. And upon being hired by Paxson, Skiles inherited the rule and it became his responsibility to protect it.

Cool.

But why Wallace pictured in the team's media guide wearing a headband? Why has the organization created marketing material that allowed the players to wear headbands?

Why is there this standard double?

But I'll digress.

True, BW might have crossed the line or been insubordinate Saturday night, but let's be very real here: This has nothing to do with rules. Headbandgate (as it is now being called) has everything to do with an exercise of power in the middle of a storm that no one inside the Bulls organization has an answer for.

I say that because I truly believe had the Bulls won every game as opposed to losing every game on their road trip going into Saturday's game against the Knicks, this would not be an issue.

If the Bulls were 9-4 instead of 4-9, above the Pistons instead of tied with the Bucks in the Central Division standings, the issue of Wallace and the team's headband policy would have been squashed, if it ever even surfaced.

But losing has a way of making a molehill Rushmore.

This is no different.

But since it is out -- since Wallace said after shootaround Tuesday according to reports, "If you know the rules and break them, you expect to be punished. I can't try to put myself above the team or anybody else and wear a headband like I did. I'm man enough to take the punishment. But I'm not sorry." -- let's put this entire Gloria Monty-inspired soap opera into perspective.

The Bulls and Wallace have issues so much bigger than this to deal with that it's insane this is being given this much attention, an A-List topic on "Quite Frankly." The grievance that the players' union already has with the League over its issue with Jermaine O'Neal wearing a wristband too high up on his arm (he was fined $5,000), doesn't deserve attention either, but is another mini-Rushmore issue.

See, what Wallace should do, since he's on this defiant trip, is tell Paxson, "OK, I'll abide by the headband rule if you stop letting (or giving away, as the Bulls did during the home opener to welcome him) fans wear those back-to-slavery Buckwheat wigs during games."

Think that'll happen?

Never. Because, like honestly dealing with why the team is losing, the Bulls really don't want to deal with real issues of professional image and subliminal messages being sent.

Scoop Jackson is a national columnist for Page 2 and a contributor to ESPN The Magazine. He appears regularly on "Quite Frankly" and other ESPN shows. He resides in Chicago. Sound off to Scoop and Page 2 here.
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11/28/2006  10:57 PM
I think the rule is stupid but the fact is, it's a rule. I don't think Skiles would be enforcing with the rule without some backing from management so I don't see the problem here. I think it's really stupid but what can you do, it's a team rule.
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11/29/2006  5:53 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think the rule is stupid but the fact is, it's a rule. I don't think Skiles would be enforcing with the rule without some backing from management so I don't see the problem here. I think it's really stupid but what can you do, it's a team rule.

There is backing from management. In the pregame, SKiles was interviewed and said "it was a rule that Paxson and I came up with..."
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11/29/2006  7:54 AM
Dumb rules SHOULD be broken. Wear a beard if you're a Yankee or a headband if you're a Bull.
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11/29/2006  3:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Dumb rules SHOULD be broken. Wear a beard if you're a Yankee or a headband if you're a Bull.

How many dumb rules have you broken at your job?
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11/29/2006  4:26 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Dumb rules SHOULD be broken. Wear a beard if you're a Yankee or a headband if you're a Bull.

How many dumb rules have you broken at your job?

I'm a grad student; we have no rules! Maybe that's why I don't appreciate rules enough!
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11/29/2006  4:42 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Dumb rules SHOULD be broken. Wear a beard if you're a Yankee or a headband if you're a Bull.

How many dumb rules have you broken at your job?

I'm a grad student; we have no rules! Maybe that's why I don't appreciate rules enough!

LOL!
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