Stop all of this crying over spilled milk. Jesus!

A bunch of cyybabies, I swear. If it happened then guess what? It was meant to happen.

Duh

Posted by Solace:


Great post. This should be up on the front page. It's what has been said many times on this board, and that people don't seem to get. Baseball is a team sport. You can win a championship in baseball without having a top 10 star. Why? Because baseball is all about having the most depth and balance. Basketball is not. A franchise player (particularly a big man), another guy who can score, and some role players who don't choke in clutch... and you can win a championship. Without these elements, it's almost impossible. We don't have them. We're starting a scary trend of heading towards no-man's land. I can totally see this team in 3 years, being a proverbial first-round exit playoff team, too good to get a good pick, not good enough to make it to the next level. Is that what everyone wants?

And I'm not sure the success of the Suns has had a beneficial impact on the league. In a sense now teams who don't have dominant bigs think they can through a bunch of little athletic guys out there and be entertaining and somewhat competitive. But they miss the way that Nash holds it all together and makes it tick, and without a topflight playmaker you'll have a 30-something win frenetic team without chemistry. Which isn't to say it's all about Nash, but athletes are a dime a dozen in this league and they can't compensate for the fundamentals that are so missing in the league today, such as boxing out, defending the P&R, footwork in the post, perimeter and/or mid-range shooting, an ability to set tempo, read a defense, manage the clock, etc.

We may like our hustle unit, and they can certainly take us farther than sluggardly veterans, but when QR, JC, and Frye's shots aren't falling all that hustle will come up short. We still need guys who can man traditional roles and execute under pressure.

Posted by MS:

Yes Kenny Smith his assessments of knick players are very fair, are you kidding i heard him talking about some of these guys and he has no idea what he is saying half the time.

Forreal, where did kenny smith come for?????

And it has to be someone who has the rep and the balls to look Dolan in the eye and say: "A quick fix isn't possible. I need the financial freedom and full athority to do this right."

Posted by martin:

Posted by Rich:

And it has to be someone who has the rep and the balls to look Dolan in the eye and say: "A quick fix isn't possible. I need the financial freedom and full athority to do this right."

did you quote LB or Isiah?

I don't think either of them have the balls.

[Edited by - Rich on 11-21-2006 8:50 PM]

Posted by Rich:

The reason I say that is that Isiah's ego is so big that he thought he could succeed despite the limitations Dolan imposed by rebuilding the team on the fly.

I think Larry came here strictly for the money, or more specifically, to earn the kind of big bucks that his wife wants after he dies.

oooooh . . .

You still haven't wiped that milk up, I see.

Looks like you are going to have to live with regrets.

You never wanted Marbury here, but he's here so there is no need to beat the dead horse any longer. The horse is dead.

I liked Frank Willimas but at the same time, the guy is completely out of the league. That has to register to you, Playa. Eventually.

When Isiah brought Marbury to NY, it was the rigt thing to do.

I don't understand why we are having this convo

On the topic you are to dramatic.
We just have 3 players who should go to start restoring the Knicks identity - Marbs, Steve, and Curry
Get read of them (hell with the money) and bring in one sure guy like Garnet and we will reverse the fortune instantly.
And after Rangers one year turnaround I cannot see the problems with Dolan. He saw exactly how it works.

Posted by BlueSeats:

And I'm not sure the success of the Suns has had a beneficial impact on the league. In a sense now teams who don't have dominant bigs think they can through a bunch of little athletic guys out there and be entertaining and somewhat competitive. But they miss the way that Nash holds it all together and makes it tick, and without a topflight playmaker you'll have a 30-something win frenetic team without chemistry. Which isn't to say it's all about Nash, but athletes are a dime a dozen in this league and they can't compensate for the fundamentals that are so missing in the league today, such as boxing out, defending the P&R, footwork in the post, perimeter and/or mid-range shooting, an ability to set tempo, read a defense, manage the clock, etc.

We may like our hustle unit, and they can certainly take us farther than sluggardly veterans, but when QR, JC, and Frye's shots aren't falling all that hustle will come up short. We still need guys who can man traditional roles and execute under pressure.

this post went under the radar but i agree. and i do put alot of it on nash b/c the suns without nash falters. this "fun ball" stuff has actually hurt more than helped the league.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Solace:


Great post. This should be up on the front page. It's what has been said many times on this board, and that people don't seem to get. Baseball is a team sport. You can win a championship in baseball without having a top 10 star. Why? Because baseball is all about having the most depth and balance. Basketball is not. A franchise player (particularly a big man), another guy who can score, and some role players who don't choke in clutch... and you can win a championship. Without these elements, it's almost impossible. We don't have them. We're starting a scary trend of heading towards no-man's land. I can totally see this team in 3 years, being a proverbial first-round exit playoff team, too good to get a good pick, not good enough to make it to the next level. Is that what everyone wants?

And I'm not sure the success of the Suns has had a beneficial impact on the league. In a sense now teams who don't have dominant bigs think they can through a bunch of little athletic guys out there and be entertaining and somewhat competitive. But they miss the way that Nash holds it all together and makes it tick, and without a topflight playmaker you'll have a 30-something win frenetic team without chemistry. Which isn't to say it's all about Nash, but athletes are a dime a dozen in this league and they can't compensate for the fundamentals that are so missing in the league today, such as boxing out, defending the P&R, footwork in the post, perimeter and/or mid-range shooting, an ability to set tempo, read a defense, manage the clock, etc.

We may like our hustle unit, and they can certainly take us farther than sluggardly veterans, but when QR, JC, and Frye's shots aren't falling all that hustle will come up short. We still need guys who can man traditional roles and execute under pressure.

I will say this: If you put out a bunch of hustle guys who play their asses off on defense you will be in every game. The difference in the NBA is in the finishers. Right now the closest thing we have if probably Crawford/Nate who can both set up a teammate and create their own shot, and hit FTs at a very high%

Our finishers dont match up with the Kobe/Lebron/Gilbert/Parkers of the league.

Still, I would rather have a group that plays hard and at least keeps us in these games than our "sluggo" veterans.