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Zeke Treating Marbury Worse Than LB?
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Solace
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11/21/2006  9:25 AM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

It's only a matter of time before Starbury blows up.

I agree Isles.

I know Marbury is trying to play a good soldier right now and play hard for the coach that has defended, right and wrong for 3 years, but eventually he's going to want to be Starbury and get his pride back. Marbury is not as bad of a player as he is playing right now and the system that Isiah Thomas is using is as far away from the style of play that Marbury has been accustomed to and has loved playing his whole career. Eventually, he's going to want to be putting up his 20 and 8 again and when that happens I have a feeling that Isiah will shop him hard and hope there is a contending suitor with an expiring.

Marburys time here in NY is seriously over.


Zeke has come to a conclusion on what needs to be done and it's killing him. I just think at the same timr he realizes there is no sand left in the hourglass to do the inevitable. Not to mention if it was even possible he's completely eliminated all of Shakenbury's trade value. He should just waive him.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-20-2006 10:23 PM]

That's the disgusting part. Marbury and Francis's values have never been lower AND we want them gone. What a terrible combination. Their contracts are actually worse than Allan Houston's was, because at least H20 was putting up 20+ a game, fighting hard every night, didn't give the media bait, and didn't cause such a ruckus. Despite that he was untradeable. Marbury has been the complete ANTI-TEAM, PRO-HIMSELF and I can't see any team that will pay for that. We're screwed for three years.
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11/21/2006  9:26 AM
Marbury is an awful passer. His assists are from him kicking the ball out when he drives, or passes it underneath when he drives.

But he is awful in tranistion in an uptempo game. If Isiah is going to run with the "New offense" then marbury is screwed.

In that regard, Larry was a better coach for him. This is what Marbury wanted, or so the words out of his mouth say. At the same time, this is his worst season thus far.

What will change? Is this his scowl? LIkeability? The Shoes? Or the team play does not play into his strength?

Either way, this is no way for a man to sell sneakers! Lace up Starbury's and have your worst season! Not a good campaign is it?

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11/21/2006  9:33 AM
have you guys seen some of the marbury quotes in today's papers? not promising. dude was NOT happy in teh second half, and is starting to feel the need to talk to teh media about it. i say starting because it's probably no big deal yet, but it started this way before.

i just read the quotes in the NYT, not even the Post or whatever, haven't looked for them online yet. you guys will recognize them when you see them.
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11/21/2006  9:40 AM
poor marbury
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11/21/2006  10:27 AM
Marbury's play this year speaks for itself... Isiah's not treating him any worse than he's treated any other player on this team that hasn't shown effort during the time he's been on the floor.

the problem is Stephon needs a coach to coddle him & cater to his every whim to be successful... the best he's played as a Knick was for Lenny Wilkens, & the best he played in his younger years was for Flip Saunders... both those guys basically allowed Steph to do whatever the hell he wanted... this is the problem when trying to incorporate this guy who's used to having his own way everywhere he's gone into a team concept... Marbury doesn't have the mind, stomach or heart to make it in NY imo.
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11/21/2006  12:49 PM
The tough part is if Isiah continues to bench Marbury when he deserves it he will lose him. So Isiah in the long run may be forced to accomodate Steph and coddle him. It's ironic because he tried to force his other coaches to coddle Steph too.

My guess is steph will come out in the next game firing. Let's hope he comes out firing on all cylinders so that we can move on from this potential death trap. We are at a crucial point. If marbs is angry he can yank this team down for a second year in a row. We have not allowed our coaches to handle this properly in the past and that has led to some devestating losing streaks. Let's hope that Isiah can find the magic and quell this quickly.
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11/21/2006  1:34 PM
I think if Zeke and Marbury start hating each other that would be healthy for the team. Cause then Zeke will be willing to ship Marbury out...
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11/21/2006  11:46 PM
This is part of what makes this season so fascinating. Isiah and Stephon are supposed to have this great relationship - they are neighbors up in Westchester, etc. But we know what kind of player Isiah was and what he would expect of his teammates. The truth seems to be that Marbury is talented, but limited and unable to make the changes required to become great. Late 20's is an important time. If he can't do it now, it probably ain't gonna happen.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-21-2006 23:46]
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11/21/2006  11:58 PM
I posted this on another thread but it pertains to this one:

That being said he seems to be a headcase. I went to the Celts game this past Saturday and since the game itself was UGLY (save for the first few minutes) I started to focus on Marbury. There were a ton of posessions that went like this:

Crawford brings up the ball. Passes to Marbury. Marbury passes it to someone else.

For the rest of the shot clock it's Nate and Crawford repeatedly driving and dishing to each other with Marbury standing on the opposite side of the court. Completely still. So much for the motion offense.

I watched this happen and lost count of how many possessions went by with what looked like Marbury being completely frozen out of the offense. Maybe there's something going on in the locker room that hasn't come out yet. I thought everything had been relatively smoothed over after watching Q and Marbury interact during one of our wins.


I know there are people on this board who watch every single minute of every game. Is this phenomenon of Marbury standing around on offense something that has been consitently happening? How does a player go downhill so quickly?
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11/22/2006  1:04 AM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

I posted this on another thread but it pertains to this one:

That being said he seems to be a headcase. I went to the Celts game this past Saturday and since the game itself was UGLY (save for the first few minutes) I started to focus on Marbury. There were a ton of posessions that went like this:

Crawford brings up the ball. Passes to Marbury. Marbury passes it to someone else.

For the rest of the shot clock it's Nate and Crawford repeatedly driving and dishing to each other with Marbury standing on the opposite side of the court. Completely still. So much for the motion offense.

I watched this happen and lost count of how many possessions went by with what looked like Marbury being completely frozen out of the offense. Maybe there's something going on in the locker room that hasn't come out yet. I thought everything had been relatively smoothed over after watching Q and Marbury interact during one of our wins.


I know there are people on this board who watch every single minute of every game.[b] Is this phenomenon of Marbury standing around on offense something that has been consitently happening? How does a player go downhill so quickly?[b]


He's never moved well off the ball, nor has he been asked to much. but he's never used the entirety of the floor well either, even when on the ball. he's lived largely in the paint, and occasionally on the perimeter, but his perimeter passing is typically more reliant on floor spacing and players being in predictable spots rather than movement.

In short, for the most part marbury operates best in simple sets that depend on his ball domination to shift the defense to create an opening wherein he can pass to a player in a predictable position. Too much unpredictability, which requires good anticipation and court vision, often throws off his game. and he almost never has any verve in his step when he's in the role of distributor or SG. He's most peppy when he's being offensively aggressive (looking for his own shot) with the ball in his hands.
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11/22/2006  8:22 AM
Why is it such a mystery. The guy has built his career on pounding the ball in the ground and taking his man off the dribble in one on one situations. Now he is thrust into an offesne that demands ball movement. Why is everyone so surprised that he is struggling to find his way?
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11/22/2006  8:35 AM
we are stupid?
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11/22/2006  8:40 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Why is it such a mystery. The guy has built his career on pounding the ball in the ground and taking his man off the dribble in one on one situations. Now he is thrust into an offesne that demands ball movement. Why is everyone so surprised that he is struggling to find his way?


We are just enjoying it.

Actually he is surrounded by talent and now he is found wanting. He does not know how to be a team player. Its one thing to kick it out or dish to a man below when your covered, but another to create ball movement and play off the ball.
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11/22/2006  8:55 AM
Marbs is of a generation of players that may be lost because we told them that they were more important than the coach, the team and everyone else. They never learned.

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11/22/2006  8:59 AM
Posted by fishmike:

we are stupid?

I agree. Fish you and the rest of the posters here are so stupid you sell your cars for gas money .........Yeah, what you got now.
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