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islesfan
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11/19/2006  10:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.
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11/19/2006  10:50 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah

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11/19/2006  10:55 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah

A 2 possession game with more than 2 minutes left and with the ball was over because you say it was over?

Come on oohah, you know better than that.
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11/19/2006  10:57 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah

A 2 possession game with more than 2 minutes left and with the ball was over because you say it was over?

Come on oohah, you know better than that.

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11/19/2006  11:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah

A 2 possession game with more than 2 minutes left and with the ball was over because you say it was over?

Come on oohah, you know better than that.

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Tell Reggie Miller a game is over with 2min left or T-Mac against the Spurs or LJ or I'll stop and commence to LOL @ oohah
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11/19/2006  11:04 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah


Wow, so you've given up on this team being able to overcome 6 pt deficits with 2 mins to go, even against teams as lowly as the Celts? As such it wouldn't matter what any coach (be it lenny, LB or Isiah), player, ref, etc does in the final 2 mins of 6 point games because it's a fait accompli that we'll lose?
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11/19/2006  11:06 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah

A 2 possession game with more than 2 minutes left and with the ball was over because you say it was over?

Come on oohah, you know better than that.

You are speaking in a theoretical sense and I am talking about the game we were all watching. They were not coming back in that game.

oohah

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11/19/2006  11:09 PM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah

A 2 possession game with more than 2 minutes left and with the ball was over because you say it was over?

Come on oohah, you know better than that.

he's a oohaterah


Tell Reggie Miller a game is over with 2min left or T-Mac against the Spurs or LJ or I'll stop and commence to LOL @ oohah

See what I bolded above. We do not have a player like either of those guys. And we did not have anyone stepping up and making big-time shots in that game.

So when Miller comes out of retirement, or we land Kobe, Wade, McGrady, or even Vince Carter, we can talk then.

oohah

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11/19/2006  11:13 PM
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Posted by BlueSeats:

Wow, so you've given up on this team being able to overcome 6 pt deficits with 2 mins to go, even against teams as lowly as the Celts? As such it wouldn't matter what any coach (be it lenny, LB or Isiah), player, ref, etc does in the final 2 mins of 6 point games because it's a fait accompli that we'll lose?
hate to jump in like that B but if they can come back from 6, they can come back from 8. The 2 points with 2 mins to go didn't make or break he game. That bull**** call on Nate pissed me off too. I think Zeke might have made a point last night, that our young guys deserve some calls or non-calls.
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11/19/2006  11:18 PM
They had just cut the deficit from 20 to 1 and were withing 6 with the ball.

Not sure what game you were watching.

So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

Wow.
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11/19/2006  11:19 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wow, so you've given up on this team being able to overcome 6 pt deficits with 2 mins to go, even against teams as lowly as the Celts? As such it wouldn't matter what any coach (be it lenny, LB or Isiah), player, ref, etc does in the final 2 mins of 6 point games because it's a fait accompli that we'll lose?
hate to jump in like that B but if they can come back from 6, they can come back from 8. The 2 points with 2 mins to go didn't make or break he game. That bull**** call on Nate pissed me off too. I think Zeke might have made a point last night, that our young guys deserve some calls or non-calls.

I agree but giving away 2 points there sure didn't help.
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11/19/2006  11:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you tellin' me this guy ain't enough?




That is what I am telling you!

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11/19/2006  11:22 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wow, so you've given up on this team being able to overcome 6 pt deficits with 2 mins to go, even against teams as lowly as the Celts? As such it wouldn't matter what any coach (be it lenny, LB or Isiah), player, ref, etc does in the final 2 mins of 6 point games because it's a fait accompli that we'll lose?
hate to jump in like that B but if they can come back from 6, they can come back from 8. The 2 points with 2 mins to go didn't make or break he game. That bull**** call on Nate pissed me off too. I think Zeke might have made a point last night, that our young guys deserve some calls or non-calls.


I didn't see the play well enough to know how much outburst was warranted, but I know I'd prefer my team to have a 6 pt deficit to overcome in 2 mins than 8.

That said, I find your position more defensible than oohah's, which by logical extension says that our coaches might as well just head to the locker room and default on games that we are down 6 with 2 mins to go to prevent injuries since until we get a Tmac or Reggie we don't have a chance in hell of winning the game.
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11/19/2006  11:25 PM
Posted by islesfan:

They had just cut the deficit from 20 to 1 and were withing 6 with the ball.

Not sure what game you were watching.

So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

Wow.

They cut the deficit from 20 to go up by 1 then they were down around 8-11. They shot their load with the comeback. That was the game I was watching. Did you observe something different?

I think you are playing devil's advocte to the max. They were going to lose. Obviously.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-11-2006 11:25 PM]
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11/19/2006  11:27 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:

you tellin' me this guy ain't enough?




That is what I am telling you!

oohah

hey, i agree. i was laughing when i posted that.
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11/19/2006  11:28 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It was a dumb move by Isiah. But the game was over, so it really did not cost them anything.

there was 2:14 left in the game and we had the ball, down 6, when the tech's were called.

Yeah, not sure how you can say the game was over and the 2 techs meant nothing.

Because it was over Ilses. I don't see Tracy Mc'Grady on the squad, do you? And we weren't stopping them.

Dumb Techs? Yes. Consequential? No.

oohah

A 2 possession game with more than 2 minutes left and with the ball was over because you say it was over?

Come on oohah, you know better than that.

he's a oohaterah


Tell Reggie Miller a game is over with 2min left or T-Mac against the Spurs or LJ or I'll stop and commence to LOL @ oohah

See what I bolded above. We do not have a player like either of those guys. And we did not have anyone stepping up and making big-time shots in that game.

So when Miller comes out of retirement, or we land Kobe, Wade, McGrady, or even Vince Carter, we can talk then.

oohah


I didn't see that post but the moral of this point... a game is never over until it's over. Didn't the Grizzlies almost beat this team in what appeared to be an insurmountable defecit?

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-19-2006 10:28 PM]
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So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

It was 2 min left, and the Knicks just had a call go against them, then IT got the tech.
So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

I see you have totally reversed your opinion on what this team is and can do, or is it only for the sake of argument?

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11/19/2006  11:31 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:

They had just cut the deficit from 20 to 1 and were withing 6 with the ball.

Not sure what game you were watching.

So only teams with Kobe, Wade, McGrady and Carter can come back from a 6 pt deficit with more than 2 minutes left and the ball?

Wow.

They cut the deficit from 20 to go up by 1 then they were down around 8-11. They shot their load with the comeback. That was the game I was watching. Did you observe something different?

I think you are playing devil's advocte to the max. They were going to lose. Obviously.

oohah
[Edited by - oohah on 19-11-2006 11:25 PM]

Down around 8-11?? They were down 6 with the ball.

No need to play devil's advocate. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to say that the game was already over when Isiah was called for the 2 technicals.

I can't believe that I'm even arguing this.
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I didn't see that post but the moral of this point... a game is never over until it's over. Didn't the Grizzlies almost beat this team in what appeared to be an insurmountable defecit?

Seatsblue, that is why I said the Techs were dumb, because obviously there was a theoretical chance of a comeback.

But the way the KNicks were not exectuting and the Celtics were + hitting their free throws, the game was over.

To say different is really just playing Devils advocate.

By the way, I think it ain't over until it is over is really more applicable in baseball. In basketball, it is often over before it is over, like when we blew out Miami, or that SJU game the other day.

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