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Killa4luv
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11/16/2006  10:59 AM
Posted by MS:

Yes thorn is a genius because babcock, decided vince had no value and he was going to make a trade for alvin williams, another scrub and alonzo who didn't even want to be there......Give me a break, the RJ move was genius but he got lucky with KMART. Whose to say the guy would have not been injured in NJ, those are the breaks......

Kmart wasn't luck, Kmart wanted max dollars and he didn't do it, because hes not close to a max player. That was the smart part. The lucky part was he broke down on another team after he resigned at max money.
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11/16/2006  11:46 PM
Hopefully Martin's contract leads to Kiki taking over for Isiah. He did a nice job in Denver other than the Martin deal.
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11/16/2006  11:48 PM
Don't forget webber AND miles.
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11/17/2006  1:17 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Hopefully Martin's contract leads to Kiki taking over for Isiah. He did a nice job in Denver other than the Martin deal.

What? Exactly what did he do? The team is OK, but i'm not blown away by anything he did. It's a good team, but KiKi isn't some genius GM. He's made some bad moves too. The circumstances were different for him tho. What Isiah had to start with was FAR worse than most any GM I can think of in recent memory. I think people will eventually come to realize that Isiah hasn't been as bad as he's been made out to be.
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11/17/2006  3:28 AM
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Martin, David Lee's double double off the Pine, is no small accomplishment

He is only a sophomore and will continue to work

if I am coaching against David I remember to put a body on him, force him to the right on the dribble and leave him for the deep jumpshot.


Lee is a left hander who uses his right hand as good if not better than any lefty in the league, and better than most right handed guys... LOL..
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11/17/2006  8:43 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Hopefully Martin's contract leads to Kiki taking over for Isiah. He did a nice job in Denver other than the Martin deal.

please.

the ONLY good moves that Kiki made was drafting Carmelo Anthony and tricking Layden into thinking that MsDyess was still serviceable.
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11/17/2006  9:06 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Hopefully Martin's contract leads to Kiki taking over for Isiah. He did a nice job in Denver other than the Martin deal.

please.

the ONLY good moves that Kiki made was drafting Carmelo Anthony and tricking Layden into thinking that MsDyess was still serviceable.

I agree....and don't forget, detroit passed on melo, so they lucked big time into that deal...maybe they would have taken wade...but I doubt it.
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11/17/2006  9:32 AM
he found a way to move van exel, lafrentz and dice and in exchange he brought in miller (could be arenas) camby, nene, and his terrible drafting the year before led to melo, so sometimes things work out.....

Not excited about him as a gm, he severly overpaid for martin, boozer was the smarter pick, they needed low post scoring martin and camby are very similiar in their games.

But i would rather have the nuggets team....

Nice move at the deadline to get patterson and evans though....would have love to see those two instead of francis
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11/17/2006  9:34 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:


Martin, David Lee's double double off the Pine, is no small accomplishment

He is only a sophomore and will continue to work

if I am coaching against David I remember to put a body on him, force him to the right on the dribble and leave him for the deep jumpshot.


Lee is a left hander who uses his right hand as good if not better than any lefty in the league, and better than most right handed guys... LOL..

then you don't watch the games as closely as I would have suspected. Watch him put the ball on the floor. 90% or more to the left. I KNOW he can shot the ball with his right, that was the easy observation.
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11/17/2006  10:01 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Hopefully Martin's contract leads to Kiki taking over for Isiah. He did a nice job in Denver other than the Martin deal.

What? Exactly what did he do? The team is OK, but i'm not blown away by anything he did. It's a good team, but KiKi isn't some genius GM. He's made some bad moves too. The circumstances were different for him tho. What Isiah had to start with was FAR worse than most any GM I can think of in recent memory. I think people will eventually come to realize that Isiah hasn't been as bad as he's been made out to be.

The correct word to describe Isiah's GMing of the Knicks is exacerbate. Look it up. It basically means "to make a bad situation even worse". That's what Isiah has done.

As for Kiki, he took a bad team and added Carmelo, K-Mart (who was very good for them before all the knee injuries), Marcus Camby (one of the best big men in the game), Andre Miller (a solid pass-first point guard) and Nene (an up and coming big man with a bright future). While K-Mart's injury and the lack of a good shooting guard since Kiki has been there have been the downfall of the Denver team, that team already has 3 or 4 players who I would take over ANYONE on the Knicks, and Denver is a proverbial playoff team and a team with a future. Where are we?

Enough said.
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11/17/2006  10:19 AM
Kiki also wasted a #5 pick on Skita & passed up Amare Stoudamire, Caron Butler & Chris Wilcox to take Nene w/the #7 pick.

imagine if he'd taken Amare & Butler, that DEN team would be set up pretty nicely right about now... hindsight is always 20/20, but let's not make him out to be some great GM... he's had his fare share of flubs as well.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-17-2006 10:20 AM]
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11/17/2006  10:30 AM
Posted by TMS:

Kiki also wasted a #5 pick on Skita & passed up Amare Stoudamire, Caron Butler & Chris Wilcox to take Nene w/the #7 pick.

imagine if he'd taken Amare & Butler, that DEN team would be set up pretty nicely right about now... hindsight is always 20/20, but let's not make him out to be some great GM... he's had his fare share of flubs as well.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-17-2006 10:20 AM]

I don't hold any GM back for the Amare pick. He only worked out for PHO. Skita? Overvaluing Euro potential and every GM has at least one high stinker. Nene was not a bad pick, just bad luck with the ACL thing.
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11/17/2006  10:34 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:

Kiki also wasted a #5 pick on Skita & passed up Amare Stoudamire, Caron Butler & Chris Wilcox to take Nene w/the #7 pick.

imagine if he'd taken Amare & Butler, that DEN team would be set up pretty nicely right about now... hindsight is always 20/20, but let's not make him out to be some great GM... he's had his fare share of flubs as well.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-17-2006 10:20 AM]

I don't hold any GM back for the Amare pick. He only worked out for PHO. Skita? Overvaluing Euro potential and every GM has at least one high stinker. Nene was not a bad pick, just bad luck with the ACL thing.


I agree. Everybody was looking for the next Dirk Digler and Skita was the flavor of the month. Also, there were 11 other teams that passed on Amare...ok...so Kiki passed on him twice....but Kiki has a plan and never waivered right or wrong. Zeke seems to keep changing his mind.
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11/17/2006  10:42 AM
can we honestly give him credit for "adding" carmelo, and was KMart "very good" for them?

but if you want to give him credit, we should look at some comparisons:
Posted by Solace:

As for Kiki, he took a bad team and added Carmelo,
he fell into carmelo when detroit didn't take him...but does zeke get any credit for his draft picks? who else has Kiki drafted?
K-Mart (who was very good for them before all the knee injuries),
did he really? maybe as well as marbury did for the knicks in the same period of time? And marbury is still going btw...
Marcus Camby (one of the best big men in the game), Andre Miller (a solid pass-first point guard) and Nene (an up and coming big man with a bright future).
If you like that kind of stuff (pass first, etc.) but Curry is putting up better number than NeNe, Crawford/Qrich are better than Andre Miller currently, Camby...well, I love camby, so that was the move of moves, but that was one transaction and involved Dolan and they got both Camby AND nene, so if that is the crowning jewel of the Kiki regime, I'm thinking he hasn't done ANYTHING in denver that Zeke has not done here in New York...both have done nothing to actually improve their teams (has denver gotten past the first round?, I don't recall, but me thinks Kiki took a bad team to the playoffs, Zeke took a Gawd awful team to the playoffs...it's a wash
While K-Mart's injury and the lack of a good shooting guard since Kiki has been there have been the downfall of the Denver team, that team already has 3 or 4 players who I would take over ANYONE on the Knicks, and Denver is a proverbial playoff team and a team with a future. Where are we?
Enough said.

We have a better record than Denver this year AND we beat them already, with Crawford.

You subtract melo from Denver and they are a proverbial lottery team and a team with no future. (see kmart)

Are we really going to use Kiki's resume as something to write home about?
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11/17/2006  12:12 PM
Posted by TMS:

Kiki also wasted a #5 pick on Skita & passed up Amare Stoudamire, Caron Butler & Chris Wilcox to take Nene w/the #7 pick.

imagine if he'd taken Amare & Butler, that DEN team would be set up pretty nicely right about now... hindsight is always 20/20, but let's not make him out to be some great GM... he's had his fare share of flubs as well.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-17-2006 10:20 AM]

In the same draft, we passed on Amare too. Point is every GM has bad moves. However, at least Kiki has some good moves to his credit. His history is WAY better than Assaih's. That's all I'm saying.
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11/17/2006  12:14 PM
Layden's the dumbarse who passed up on Amare, Butler & Wilcox so he could make that ridiculous trade for McKnee.

i will say Isiah's had a better draft history than Kiki has had, but Kiki's trades & Free agent signings are in his favor.
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11/17/2006  12:20 PM
Posted by TMS:

Layden's the dumbarse who passed up on Amare, Butler & Wilcox so he could make that ridiculous trade for McKnee.

Ahh, there's a new piece of information. Thanks for informing me.

Point is Isiah has sucked as a GM, and even the great draft master has SERIOUSLY SCREWED UP the one lottery pick we've had in his tenure (Frye). He's also traded away multiple lottery picks. Nobody said Kiki is a God, but again, defending Isiah is just stupid and dumb. Worst GM in NBA history. Move on.

Back to Kiki. He's a decent option. Is it my dream GM, no.
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11/17/2006  12:22 PM
Posted by Solace:

Back to Kiki. He's a decent option. Is it my dream GM, no.
NO hes not a decent option, you should move on.
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11/17/2006  12:24 PM
Kiki is a bum.
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11/17/2006  12:42 PM
i really don't consider Kiki as all that much of an upgrade over Isiah to tell u the truth... as for worst GM in the NBA, i say Billy Knight in ATL has that award locked up.
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