Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by metra:

New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.

So why don't you give Thomas the same benefit of the doubt you gave to LB? Isn't it also a new system?

Isiah hand picked these players to play in this system. The problem is not the system, unless Isiah-or the players-have abandoned it already.

These players said it wasn't their fault, Larry didn't let them play the way they should have been playing and that the team will be better if the did play the way the players wanted. Well, they are playing "their" way and the team is no better.

That's like me hiring you to build my house. I want to use a certain wood, for the sake of argument, say maple for my frame. You start to use it then say, "You know what Joe, this maple ain't the best wood. I can build you a much better house if only I used redwood for the frame." Now, as the guy building my house, I trust you and I say "Ok, tear it down, I'll eat the extra cost of bringing everything down. Use the redwood and build me a better house." So we tear down all the maple, and start using up all the redwood. Well, I stroll down to my house being built and it looks like crap. Warped boards, soft wood, beams not being able to hold the weight they have to support. I say "Budda, What the hell, you said you could build me a better house with the redwood. This looks like crap!". And you reply to me "Well, I said I can build a better house with redwood, but first I have to actually learn how to work with redwood. It is totally different than maple and actually, I never worked with it before. I just heard that redwood is a better wood.".

Point of the story is: If you are gonna tell me that something is going to work better another way, don't try and tell me that you need extra time to make it work right. Players said the problem was Larry. Larry fired, problem removed. Payers said they were going to be better without Larry. Larry's gone they still suck, and now I have to give you MORE time to perfect a system you already said you knew how to play in and it would make us better?!?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 11-12-2006 6:04 PM]

Intriguing story however why not give them time to develop some form of chemistry, at least they are trying. The main person I am befuddled about is Frye, I personally believe that he may have bulked up too quickly especially on that healing knee. Thomas is the builder yes, it's his project so why not give him a year like LB hall of fame coach or not. We get rid of Thomas now who is going to replace him??? It has only been seven games against some of the best teams in the league. Give Zeke a break.


[Edited by - buddapaw on 11-12-2006 9:42 PM]

I don't blame Zeke for sucking as a coach(I think he is average). I blame Zeke for building a team around at least 1 uncoachable guy-and thinking he can control him. I blame Zeke for not having a plan. I blame Zeke for selling Doaln a line of crap.

C"mon Joe. 3 of those games are losses in the books before you play: Houston (On the road, and by the way have you noticed what Yao did to Shaq tonight? He's doing him like Eddie Curry! Yao: 30pts, 10-18, 11 rebounds and there are a still a few minutes left. Yao is the real deal.)

Denver is winnable and the Knicks won. However, Denver is no creampuff team. They made the playoffs, have one of the brightest young stars in the game, They got Nene back, they have some good guards, and they play a mile high, the best built in home-court advantage in the NBA! That is an excellent win.

Memphis was a tough one against not that good of a team, but it's a W right?

Atlanta was very winnable, but Atlanta is looking much improved so it's not like they ar a toal pushover.

The most disappointing was the Indiana loss.

Other than that, things have gone much like I expected. The team is taking their lumps while building something that they should have built while taking their lumps last year.

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by metra:

New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.

So why don't you give Thomas the same benefit of the doubt you gave to LB? Isn't it also a new system?

Isiah hand picked these players to play in this system. The problem is not the system, unless Isiah-or the players-have abandoned it already.

These players said it wasn't their fault, Larry didn't let them play the way they should have been playing and that the team will be better if the did play the way the players wanted. Well, they are playing "their" way and the team is no better.

That's like me hiring you to build my house. I want to use a certain wood, for the sake of argument, say maple for my frame. You start to use it then say, "You know what Joe, this maple ain't the best wood. I can build you a much better house if only I used redwood for the frame." Now, as the guy building my house, I trust you and I say "Ok, tear it down, I'll eat the extra cost of bringing everything down. Use the redwood and build me a better house." So we tear down all the maple, and start using up all the redwood. Well, I stroll down to my house being built and it looks like crap. Warped boards, soft wood, beams not being able to hold the weight they have to support. I say "Budda, What the hell, you said you could build me a better house with the redwood. This looks like crap!". And you reply to me "Well, I said I can build a better house with redwood, but first I have to actually learn how to work with redwood. It is totally different than maple and actually, I never worked with it before. I just heard that redwood is a better wood.".

Point of the story is: If you are gonna tell me that something is going to work better another way, don't try and tell me that you need extra time to make it work right. Players said the problem was Larry. Larry fired, problem removed. Payers said they were going to be better without Larry. Larry's gone they still suck, and now I have to give you MORE time to perfect a system you already said you knew how to play in and it would make us better?!?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 11-12-2006 6:04 PM]

Excellent illustration couldn't have said it any better. The same people that are getting flustered for the supposed haters discussing the record are ignoring the fact that 3 key players look awful and I mean awful. The defense is EPICALLY ATROCIOUS. If Zeke needs time for a 1yr improvement then how come Larry didn't receive backing for imrpoving a horrid situation for more than a yr's service?

First, Larry was given an entire season to improve the situation and proved that he had no interest in coaching these players, so he had to go. IT has not been given 8 games yet, and you are already calling the season over. This team looks off most of the time, but what is encouraging is that as bad as they look, they have pretty much been in every game this year. All they need is a little more defensive and offensive cohesiveness and the team could easily be 5-2. You gave Larry a whole season, but you want to call IT out after 8 games.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by SeatsBlue:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by metra:

New York with no Jeffries? no Francis?

A team's a team. Let's not make excuses.

Ok. Let's not. We're still 2-5 and don't look like we're going anywhere. Last year we knew it was gonna hurt because LB had a new system we knew the players would have a problem adapting to. Now this system is supposed to be easy to comrehend and more natural to these specific players and we look just as horrible.

So why don't you give Thomas the same benefit of the doubt you gave to LB? Isn't it also a new system?

Isiah hand picked these players to play in this system. The problem is not the system, unless Isiah-or the players-have abandoned it already.

These players said it wasn't their fault, Larry didn't let them play the way they should have been playing and that the team will be better if the did play the way the players wanted. Well, they are playing "their" way and the team is no better.

That's like me hiring you to build my house. I want to use a certain wood, for the sake of argument, say maple for my frame. You start to use it then say, "You know what Joe, this maple ain't the best wood. I can build you a much better house if only I used redwood for the frame." Now, as the guy building my house, I trust you and I say "Ok, tear it down, I'll eat the extra cost of bringing everything down. Use the redwood and build me a better house." So we tear down all the maple, and start using up all the redwood. Well, I stroll down to my house being built and it looks like crap. Warped boards, soft wood, beams not being able to hold the weight they have to support. I say "Budda, What the hell, you said you could build me a better house with the redwood. This looks like crap!". And you reply to me "Well, I said I can build a better house with redwood, but first I have to actually learn how to work with redwood. It is totally different than maple and actually, I never worked with it before. I just heard that redwood is a better wood.".

Point of the story is: If you are gonna tell me that something is going to work better another way, don't try and tell me that you need extra time to make it work right. Players said the problem was Larry. Larry fired, problem removed. Payers said they were going to be better without Larry. Larry's gone they still suck, and now I have to give you MORE time to perfect a system you already said you knew how to play in and it would make us better?!?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 11-12-2006 6:04 PM]

Excellent illustration couldn't have said it any better. The same people that are getting flustered for the supposed haters discussing the record are ignoring the fact that 3 key players look awful and I mean awful. The defense is EPICALLY ATROCIOUS. If Zeke needs time for a 1yr improvement then how come Larry didn't receive backing for imrpoving a horrid situation for more than a yr's service?

First, Larry was given an entire season to improve the situation and proved that he had no interest in coaching these players, so he had to go. IT has not been given 8 games yet, and you are already calling the season over. This team looks off most of the time, but what is encouraging is that as bad as they look, they have pretty much been in every game this year. All they need is a little more defensive and offensive cohesiveness and the team could easily be 5-2. You gave Larry a whole season, but you want to call IT out after 8 games.

They have NO defensive cohesiveness. They don't play defense, Isiah doesn't preach defense, and they aren't goin to play defense. You can throw that out the window.

I don't understand how I am calling the season over. I am saying that Isiah picked these players to run this system. He has a one up on EVERY single coach in his first year ever because he had 3 years to handpick the players he wanted to run a system he wanted. This team should look a hell of alot better than it has based on that fact alone. The players look no better offensively than last year. Larry got a whole season with his "star" player corrupting the team-a star player who self admittedly quit after the 1st 8 games! Once the star player quits most of the the more impressionable players usually follow-and that happened. You say Larry got a full season, I say he got 10 games at most. The other 72 were riding out the storm.