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TMS
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11/9/2006  2:21 PM
i want a PG that plays defense all the time & takes over a game when the team needs a basket... you know, the type of PG Larry Brown wanted Marbury to be?
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11/9/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by izybx:

Marbury is in a no win situation. If he looks to score and make scoring passes then he is a ball hog who cant play witjout the ball. If he defers to his teamates and takes only six shots while runing the offense effectively (6 assists no TOS, which is much better than 10 assists 4 tos dont get it twisted) then hes old, overpaid, and has no game anymore.

I think isiah has convinced him to play in a more traditional pg model, and except for the indiana game i thought hes played well. So cut the guy a break.

At the least dont say one day that hes a ball hog and then say the next day that he doesnt score enough. Get your mind right on what kind of pg you want first.

But doesn't that mean that Isiah is not allowing him to play his game?
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11/9/2006  2:27 PM
I think Marbury will eventually get it, we are hard him for good reason. his defense is suspect. his whole career he has played almost the entire game and I think he paces himself so that he can have energy to score and drive. He hasnt figured out yet that he doesnt have to play the long minutes any more. He needs to get over those screens !
He does that and he is a different player. He showed signs last night.

sidebar: I think if Nate were to start, he could average some where shy of 30ppg.
he is averaging like 14 off the bench.
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11/9/2006  2:31 PM
Once again, this is not about quantity of shots. Its about quality of shots for him & others. For his shots, he's basically taken jumpers except for the few forays to the rim which have not gone well. This is the primary reason why he's shooting 34%. Also, because he doesn't break down the defense & pass off the defensive rotation, the team struggles with him (as opposed to Nate). This is why he's averaging a mere 4 assists per game.
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11/9/2006  2:35 PM
I think Marbs is having a difficult time adjusting to a new role. A role where he is asked to distribute and be part of a team oriented offense instead of one on one. As we can see by the complete breakdowns by the team at times, they are all having difficulty adjusting. I think they would have had less difficulty adjusting if they hadn't decided to take 2005 off.
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11/9/2006  3:04 PM
Also don't forget, he's got two bad ankles and I think a screwed up knee, that will certainly take away any explosiveness. I'm a guy who plays b-ball with a bad knee and a bad back, some days I can move well but most I cannot. When those "cannot" days come, I have to be more of a assist guy. I think this may be some of Marbs problem.
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11/9/2006  3:11 PM
Posted by purple012870:

They don't keep plus/minus stats in hoops like hockey, but I'd bet that the Knicks are a minus 10 per game this year when he's in the game & roughly a plus 5 per game when he's not in the game.

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11/9/2006  3:12 PM
People gotta get it's not all about attitude with Steph, like all he has to do is be motivated. the guys is not that good. It's like being fearful of Abdur Rahim being really motivated and deciding to "turn it on."

Sure Steph could go out and put up 20 shots per game, but he doesn't haver the gift anymore and he never had a good head out there.

Kudos to him if he's waking up to reality and embracing a new role. I don't care if he scores more or less, or assists more or less, I look at his impact on games, and it's been iffy for a while now. He's not a great "head" out there. I just want him to work on being less of a distraction, playing hard consistently, and doing some nice little things at key junctures.

The days of wanting/needing Steph to carry us are over -- at least I hope they are.
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11/9/2006  3:22 PM
I think someone stole Marbury's joy.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-09-2006 15:22]
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11/9/2006  3:23 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think someone stole Marbury's joy.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-09-2006 15:22]

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11/9/2006  3:26 PM
Doubtless Steph's play thus far has been uninspiring, but one thing he has been doing well in the early going is playing the role of clutch scorer. He kept us alive down the stretch in Memphis, knocked down a couple of Js in that run against the Spurs, and hit the clutch 3 to tie it last night against Denver. If he can keep up the good clutch play he'd be a valuable asset even if not dominating games with his driving and dishing.
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11/10/2006  12:20 AM
Passing is a talent. Having the mentality to pass first helps, but it doesn't make someone good at it. Marbury is who he is, which makes him not the kind of player a good team needs at point guard. There's a reason why every team gets better when Marbury leaves and gets replaced by a good passing pg.
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11/10/2006  12:32 AM
Posted by TMS:

he's the guy who's "shaken" right now that Malik was talkin about...he can't deal with it... so he's closing himself up into a shell & deferring to others...

Are you Steph's psychologist, or just speculating and passing your opinion about him off as fact?



[Edited by - PresIke on 11-10-2006 12:39 AM]
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11/10/2006  12:35 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

and he's getting old fast

I'd like to see where exactly you can point to evidence that suggests such a notion. From what I've seen when Marbury seems to put forth the effort he can do pretty much the same things he has done in the past.

He's just not doing it. Do I claim to know why? No, because I'm a fan. I can speculate, but I know that I have just as little insight into why he isn't scoring now as the rest of us.

But I won't be waiting for the day when many of us start to be a bit more balanced with our perspectives.

[Edited by - PresIke on 11-10-2006 12:36 AM]
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11/10/2006  12:35 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by izybx:

Marbury is in a no win situation. If he looks to score and make scoring passes then he is a ball hog who cant play witjout the ball. If he defers to his teamates and takes only six shots while runing the offense effectively (6 assists no TOS, which is much better than 10 assists 4 tos dont get it twisted) then hes old, overpaid, and has no game anymore.

I think isiah has convinced him to play in a more traditional pg model, and except for the indiana game i thought hes played well. So cut the guy a break.

At the least dont say one day that hes a ball hog and then say the next day that he doesnt score enough. Get your mind right on what kind of pg you want first.

But doesn't that mean that Isiah is not allowing him to play his game?

What does that have to do with anything? Marbury is a solid ball player and a tremendous athlete, whether or not he is "playing his game" is irrevelant so long as he is contributing.


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11/10/2006  12:54 AM
Posted by izybx:

Marbury is in a no win situation. If he looks to score and make scoring passes then he is a ball hog who cant play witjout the ball. If he defers to his teamates and takes only six shots while runing the offense effectively (6 assists no TOS, which is much better than 10 assists 4 tos dont get it twisted) then hes old, overpaid, and has no game anymore.

I think isiah has convinced him to play in a more traditional pg model, and except for the indiana game i thought hes played well. So cut the guy a break.

At the least dont say one day that hes a ball hog and then say the next day that he doesnt score enough. Get your mind right on what kind of pg you want first.
Posted by tomverve:

Doubtless Steph's play thus far has been uninspiring, but one thing he has been doing well in the early going is playing the role of clutch scorer. He kept us alive down the stretch in Memphis, knocked down a couple of Js in that run against the Spurs, and hit the clutch 3 to tie it last night against Denver. If he can keep up the good clutch play he'd be a valuable asset even if not dominating games with his driving and dishing.
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11/10/2006  7:27 AM
Posted by tomverve:

Doubtless Steph's play thus far has been uninspiring, but one thing he has been doing well in the early going is playing the role of clutch scorer. He kept us alive down the stretch in Memphis, knocked down a couple of Js in that run against the Spurs, and hit the clutch 3 to tie it last night against Denver. If he can keep up the good clutch play he'd be a valuable asset even if not dominating games with his driving and dishing.


you remember ths shots that go down, not all the ones that didn't.

Steve Kerr hit clutch open shots. Is that what marbury is now?

Does he know how to get over a screen?

And he hasn't been effective on his drives- I think he is a step slower, and that is now too slow for him to play his same game.
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11/10/2006  8:44 AM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by izybx:

Marbury is in a no win situation. If he looks to score and make scoring passes then he is a ball hog who cant play witjout the ball. If he defers to his teamates and takes only six shots while runing the offense effectively (6 assists no TOS, which is much better than 10 assists 4 tos dont get it twisted) then hes old, overpaid, and has no game anymore.

I think isiah has convinced him to play in a more traditional pg model, and except for the indiana game i thought hes played well. So cut the guy a break.

At the least dont say one day that hes a ball hog and then say the next day that he doesnt score enough. Get your mind right on what kind of pg you want first.

But doesn't that mean that Isiah is not allowing him to play his game?

What does that have to do with anything? Marbury is a solid ball player and a tremendous athlete, whether or not he is "playing his game" is irrevelant so long as he is contributing.

So why wasn't that the case last year? CAn't wait to hear this answer
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11/10/2006  8:56 AM
This offense that Zeke has implemented, unless Dinglebury changes, he will never be succesful. His skills are tailor made for players like KVH and Kurt Thomas. Pick and Pop guys that truly enhances FUbury's grandeur.
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11/10/2006  9:28 AM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by TMS:

he's the guy who's "shaken" right now that Malik was talkin about...he can't deal with it... so he's closing himself up into a shell & deferring to others...

Are you Steph's psychologist, or just speculating and passing your opinion about him off as fact?



[Edited by - PresIke on 11-10-2006 12:39 AM]


i think it's a pretty damn fair assumption if you have half a brain & have been watching the games this season.
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