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MS
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11/8/2006  5:44 PM
then you are still stuck with steve francis, which is not what we need, get rid of as many of these misfits as possible and frye for warrick is a wash i think warrick has more potential on both ends of the floor, and lowry is just going to go balls out on the defensive, nate plays with a ton of energy but deceptively little on defense. And the Bulls draft pick is not going to be all that special....

no way atlanta gives up josh smith for frye, frye at this moment with his jumper off doesn't do one thing comparable....

you could also offer it to la for taking crawford off our hands, we need to get as many of these player off the team as possible in order to build a winner
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11/8/2006  5:59 PM
we're not getting rid of Francis, so forget that right now... no one & i mean NO ONE is giving u an expiring contract for a guy making max dollars over the next 3 who's out indefinitely because of injury & hasn't been playing well for over a year now.

if it's warrick & lowry you want, offer up Frye & Nate for them straight up... i don't see that as getting back good value though myself... if MEM gave us their 1st rounder then i'd do it.

& the Bulls' draft pick is likely to be in the 20's... why is it that a 20's pick is meaningless now but it's what the Knicks did with their 20's picks last year that got everyone in a tizzy right now? next year the talent pool is supposed to be the best since the Lebron class... who knows what will be available w/a 20's pick?... but hey, i'm sure the Hawks love Josh & have no intention of trading him... that's fine, but the tradeoff of talent isn't way lopsided in the Knicks' favor on that one IMHO.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-08-2006 6:01 PM]
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11/8/2006  6:03 PM
there is no dump of salary with talent attached while isiah is here.

He is here to win, this year. he put a knife to his own neck trading our pick this year and no one is going to do anything to improve the chances that chicago gets a second lotto pick.

and don't forget, crawford and curry are friends-

and crawford is a addition by subtraction candidate- marbury/francis are.
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11/8/2006  11:18 PM
sure- lets trade craw who has 27 pts for us for mihm.

good trade.
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11/9/2006  12:20 AM
Posted by TMS:

we're not getting rid of Francis, so forget that right now... no one & i mean NO ONE is giving u an expiring contract for a guy making max dollars over the next 3 who's out indefinitely because of injury & hasn't been playing well for over a year now.

if it's warrick & lowry you want, offer up Frye & Nate for them straight up... i don't see that as getting back good value though myself... if MEM gave us their 1st rounder then i'd do it.

& the Bulls' draft pick is likely to be in the 20's... why is it that a 20's pick is meaningless now but it's what the Knicks did with their 20's picks last year that got everyone in a tizzy right now? next year the talent pool is supposed to be the best since the Lebron class... who knows what will be available w/a 20's pick?... but hey, i'm sure the Hawks love Josh & have no intention of trading him... that's fine, but the tradeoff of talent isn't way lopsided in the Knicks' favor on that one IMHO.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-08-2006 6:01 PM]

why would Memphis take Frye and Nate for Warrick and Lowry? Warrick and Lowry are better and cheaper, combined.
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11/9/2006  9:34 AM
someone signed through 10/11 i don't care if they have a good game if they are not going to play defense and bring consitency and effort every single night you should try to move.

He is scorer, not a starter I don't care if he dropped 35 last night, if he was so good we didn't need to draft a mini combo guard and trade for steve francis.

This team will implode again once francis is back in the lineup, you need to move who you can for the sake of the teams future.
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11/9/2006  9:59 AM
Posted by MS:

someone signed through 10/11 i don't care if they have a good game if they are not going to play defense and bring consitency and effort every single night you should try to move.

He is scorer, not a starter I don't care if he dropped 35 last night, if he was so good we didn't need to draft a mini combo guard and trade for steve francis.

This team will implode again once francis is back in the lineup, you need to move who you can for the sake of the teams future.

Crawford wins games for us.

Crawford, for whatever he is signed for, isn't that overpriced.

Francis, Marbury are overpriced.

I think Crawford has value in the league and would be easy to trade.

If all Isiah got back in a deal was Mihm, he would be crucified. And it would make the curry deal look good.

Yes, he's inconsistent. But he wins games, he is a difference maker when on the court when he is on. He's perfect role is as a sixth man who can come in and, if he's on, make a difference.
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11/9/2006  10:36 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:

we're not getting rid of Francis, so forget that right now... no one & i mean NO ONE is giving u an expiring contract for a guy making max dollars over the next 3 who's out indefinitely because of injury & hasn't been playing well for over a year now.

if it's warrick & lowry you want, offer up Frye & Nate for them straight up... i don't see that as getting back good value though myself... if MEM gave us their 1st rounder then i'd do it.

& the Bulls' draft pick is likely to be in the 20's... why is it that a 20's pick is meaningless now but it's what the Knicks did with their 20's picks last year that got everyone in a tizzy right now? next year the talent pool is supposed to be the best since the Lebron class... who knows what will be available w/a 20's pick?... but hey, i'm sure the Hawks love Josh & have no intention of trading him... that's fine, but the tradeoff of talent isn't way lopsided in the Knicks' favor on that one IMHO.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-08-2006 6:01 PM]

why would Memphis take Frye and Nate for Warrick and Lowry? Warrick and Lowry are better and cheaper, combined.

dude, calm down on Lowry... he had 1 good game... Nate is MUCH better than that guy, are u nuts? check out Lowry's shooting percentage... the guy's 1 for 7 for the season & everaging 2 points & 2 assists on 18 mpg off the bench... all that guy does is rebound & defend.

as for Warrick, he's got talent, no question, but so does Channing... i'm not convinced this is the Frye we're going to see for the rest of the season... not when he put up multiple 30+ scoring performances last season in his rookie year... there's no way i'd trade Frye & Nate for Warrick & Lowry straight up... we'd be getting so hosed in that deal it's not even funny.
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11/9/2006  11:03 AM
Hosed?

Warrick vs. Frye

Jump shot-barely going to Frye with his added weight he is even slower
Speed-Warrick
Agility/Quickness/Hops-Warrick by Far
Rebounding Potential-Warrick
Post Moves-Warrick
Strength-Even

Lowry vs. Nate

Rebounding-Lowry will be better
Agility/Quickness/Hops-Nate has more in the form of springs but Lowry has the better densive motor
Shooting-Nate is the better shooter
Leadership-I think this one is pretty even, i watched lowry every game in college and he is the glu that holds the team together and i believe will be the better defender.

I think Lowry will be very even to Nate in a year, but his leadership potentials are greater they are very similiar in the things they do as far as energy and passion, Nates personality is alittle more out of control, but at the moment Nate is better.

But no one is really getting hosed on this deal, god some people don't know what they are watching there is more to games than stats, defense is so important and Frye maybe one of the worst defenders in the NBA, and the hardest adjustment in the league is at the point guard position. Nate made a lot of blunders last year, you need to give most pg's three years to develop, last years class was an exception
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11/9/2006  11:21 AM
don't give me that self serving condescending bullcrap MS... i know what the F i'm watching... i see Nate looking GREAT out there every night... i see him making a big difference during games... i saw Lowry play some very good defense & grab some big boards in that 1st game, but he was a complete nonfactor on the offensive end... so yeah, i know what i'm watching... the question is do you?
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11/9/2006  11:28 AM
Hosed?

Warrick vs. Frye

Jump shot-barely going to Frye with his added weight he is even slower
Speed-Warrick
Agility/Quickness/Hops-Warrick by Far
Rebounding Potential-Warrick
Post Moves-Warrick
Strength-Even

Amazing.

So last season Frye outplays Warrick by a factor of 5, and this season Frye is in a slump for the first 5 games so now all of a sudden warrick is better?

Come on.

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[Edited by - oohah on 09-11-2006 11:28 AM]
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11/9/2006  11:32 AM
Tell me what he does better than Warrick other than takin jump shot? ooooohhhhhahh
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11/9/2006  11:34 AM
Posted by MS:

Tell me what he does better than Warrick other than takin jump shot? ooooohhhhhahh

Show off his abs at RJ's?
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11/9/2006  11:43 AM
as for Frye being in a funk- just think- how many of us would have been happy if Isiah had traded Q this past summer.

Imagine Q doing what he is doing now on another team, and think how we would all feel- crap, bad move.

Give Frye more than five games in his second season before we crucify him.

Can you give him 20 games?
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11/9/2006  11:49 AM
Posted by TMS:

i'd sooner offer Frye & CHI's 1st rounder to ATL for Josh Smith

I've been saying this seince last yr. I'd do this in a heart beat. Except, I dont know if I'd offer the pick though.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 11-09-2006 11:49 AM]
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Posted by MS:

Tell me what he does better than Warrick other than takin jump shot? ooooohhhhhahh


Well based on last year Score in any way, and rebounding. As bad as Frye's D may have been, Warrick was considered terrible last year which is one of the reasons he did not get any time.

But since Warrick is producing 5 games into his second year about the same rate as what Frye did last year as a rookie (The only difference being Warrick is getting 6 minutes more), I guess he must be better.

That makes sense, does it not, mmmmmmmmmmmms?

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11/9/2006  11:51 AM
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as for Frye being in a funk- just think- how many of us would have been happy if Isiah had traded Q this past summer.

Imagine Q doing what he is doing now on another team, and think how we would all feel- crap, bad move.

Give Frye more than five games in his second season before we crucify him.

Can you give him 20 games?



No, because that would show patience and understanding with a young player. All these dudes salivating for Warrick this year would never have shown patience with him last year, they would have crucified him!

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11/9/2006  11:51 AM
I asked you to look at their skill set not their stats. Tell me what Frye does better than Warrick, who had more success at the college level as well.
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11/9/2006  11:52 AM
Posted by MS:

Tell me what he does better than Warrick other than takin jump shot? ooooohhhhhahh

i'm curious how you were feeling about Frye last season when he was putting up 30 pt. games, scoring in the post & off the pick & roll, finishing on the break, dunking over people & competing for ROY honors? is he all of a sudden a scrub now that he's been struggling to start off the season? i didn't hear a peep out of anyone on this forum about Hakim Warrick last season... now all of a sudden after 1 game they play against each other where he looks good & Frye looks like crap, Warrick's got more upside in every area of comparison in your estimation? i think that's pretty ridiculous.
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11/9/2006  11:57 AM
Just compare them; Jesus.

Warrick was competing for minutes with Gasol who played 40 minutes a night. Frye has a very nice jump shot thats really it, what does he do well? His post moves are terrible he get overpowered when he is taking it to the rim and is horrible athletically, and with the extra weight he added unfortunately he is slower than ever.

Debate anything I mentioned about the two of them, but fact of the matter is Frye is only getting his points if he is being set up for a jumper, your not going to see him get garbage points. He hasn't been able to catch the ball, rebound that effectivley or do the little things when his jumper is off
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