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misterearl
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11/8/2006  10:14 AM
It's not a "juice" card

It's called a coach card

why is Isiah vilified for something that any coach would say?

Perhaps you can offer an insight of what a more acceptable Isiah quote should read like.....

please help me out here
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11/8/2006  10:17 AM
you have to watch them one at time.. nobody is gluttons for that much punishment
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11/8/2006  10:18 AM
Posted by misterearl:

dj - are you praying for the knicks to lose the next three?

or do you watch 'em one game at a time?

i watch them one game at a time...but i see how they're playing overall. each game is a page in a book. they are not isolated events, but a progressing part of the story.

i see the makeup of the team. and seeing how they usually crumble under some adversity...i'm making an educated guess. earl, they have to show me what they're made of to give them the benefit of the doubt. and seeing how the starters played in the first home game, and then came out vs. the spurs two nights ago makes me think that they got major major issues. i'm one of those guys that need to be proved wrong for me to believe. otherwise it's dissapointment city. and while i would love nothing more than the dogs to be benched, i fear that their replacements just won't be good enough to actually win. they'll play harder, but winning is something completely different.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-08-2006 10:20 AM]
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11/8/2006  10:30 AM
I'm still baffled by the support that a few guys on here give Isiah. I hate to be playing the "company card", but all of the team building, feeding egos, so-called love that Isiah was going to give this team and help them restore confidence has been completely thrown out the window.

He's resorting to challenging his players by speaking to the press after only 4 games.
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11/8/2006  10:41 AM
Posted by misterearl:

It's not a "juice" card

It's called a coach card

why is Isiah vilified for something that any coach would say?

Perhaps you can offer an insight of what a more acceptable Isiah quote should read like.....

please help me out here

misterearl, Personally I think its still too early to condemn Isiah the coach, but I think guys are pointing out a certain irony in things Isiah is saying and doing given his (and the Knicks) history with coaches. I'm sure for some there would be poetic justice if this season were much like last season.

I know it is normal for NBA teams to hold the coach responsible for the teams' failures, but I've always been struck by how little support the Knicks give their coaches, how quick they are to fire them, and how badly the treat them (see Don Chaney).

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11/8/2006  10:43 AM
It is quite ironic. All of the problems that we had last year are resurfacing, and the way the coach resorts to handle them hasn't changed at all. Don't tell us one thing, and do the other. Oh wait, that's been the trademark of the Isaiah regime.
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11/8/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by realhiphop:

It is quite ironic. All of the problems that we had last year are resurfacing, and the way the coach resorts to handle them hasn't changed at all. Don't tell us one thing, and do the other. Oh wait, that's been the trademark of the Isaiah regime.
and only after 4 games

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11/8/2006  10:51 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by realhiphop:

It is quite ironic. All of the problems that we had last year are resurfacing, and the way the coach resorts to handle them hasn't changed at all. Don't tell us one thing, and do the other. Oh wait, that's been the trademark of the Isaiah regime.
and only after 4 games

a complete about face from all his comments prior to the start of the season.

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11/8/2006  11:06 AM
3 of our key players have started off in a mental slump. If those 3 guys had played at their usual levels we're not talking about any of this. Don't you think that it's possible that these guys will eventually snap out of it and play like we know they can? It's more likely to happen than not. Isiah isn't doing anything that any other good coach would do in the same situation. He hasn't panicked and made wholesale changes. He's merely putting players on notice that they have to bring better effort and concentration. What's wrong with saying that?

It's a common refrain, but guys its FOUR GAMES!!! If you take any season and look at a small sampling of games for any team you might find a set of games where the team just isn't playing well. This team is struggling to find itself right now, but I think if we stop and think about it, there's light at the end of the tunnel for this team.

We have to allow not only the players but the COACH to work his way into this as well. He hasn't coached in years and he's never coached this group either. Add to that the fact that he's asking them to play a style they've never played before and it's not hard to imagine that the start of the year might be a little rough. All over the web all I read is doom and gloom posts. I can't help but think that after last year there's a mood of low tolerance from Knick fans. They want IMMEDIATE results even if that's not reasonable.

So far in this early season, there are teams who weren't expected to be good that are winning and good teams that are losing. That doesn't mean it will stay like that all season and the same goes for us. All this Isiah and Knick bashing is quite premature in my opinion.
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11/8/2006  11:12 AM
Posted by realhiphop:

I'm still baffled by the support that a few guys on here give Isiah. I hate to be playing the "company card", but all of the team building, feeding egos, so-called love that Isiah was going to give this team and help them restore confidence has been completely thrown out the window.

He's resorting to challenging his players by speaking to the press after only 4 games.

Great post. Very clear and concise.
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11/8/2006  11:15 AM
everyone, repeat after me:

"the more things change, the more they stay the same."
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11/8/2006  11:38 AM
Posted by islesfan:

[quote]Posted by realhiphop:

I'm still baffled by the support that a few guys on here give Isiah. I hate to be playing the "company card", but all of the team building, feeding egos, so-called love that Isiah was going to give this team and help them restore confidence has been completely thrown out the window.

He's resorting to challenging his players by speaking to the press after only 4 games.
With all that's gone on with Isaiah, I once again, was skeptically willing to give him a clean slate. I had my own worries, but I wanted him to prove me wrong. I figured that I'd see if his concept of team building could work and put wins on the board. What's his reason for going back on his word? He's doing the same exact thing now that got Larry fired. I thought MSG policy was to not specifically call out the team in the media? Does he get a look the other way? How can you support a guy who's word has no merit?
Great post. Very clear and concise.




[Edited by - realhiphop on 11-08-2006 11:39 AM]
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11/8/2006  12:03 PM
Posted by realhiphop:
Posted by islesfan:

[quote]Posted by realhiphop:

I'm still baffled by the support that a few guys on here give Isiah. I hate to be playing the "company card", but all of the team building, feeding egos, so-called love that Isiah was going to give this team and help them restore confidence has been completely thrown out the window.

He's resorting to challenging his players by speaking to the press after only 4 games.
With all that's gone on with Isaiah, I once again, was skeptically willing to give him a clean slate. I had my own worries, but I wanted him to prove me wrong. I figured that I'd see if his concept of team building could work and put wins on the board. What's his reason for going back on his word? He's doing the same exact thing now that got Larry fired. I thought MSG policy was to not specifically call out the team in the media? Does he get a look the other way? How can you support a guy who's word has no merit?
Great post. Very clear and concise.
[Edited by - realhiphop on 11-08-2006 11:39 AM]

The policy doesn't say that you can't comment on things in the media, just that you don't use the media as the way you communicate with your players. Isiah actually speaks to his players DIRECTLY. He let's them know what he wants and he keeps confidential discussions in the lockerroom. The idea that he's never going to comment in any negative sense about the team is ridiculous. He hasn't made any personal attacks on anyone in the press. He's only stated what he expects from his players and what they can expect from him.

It's amazing to me how quickly most fans have given up on this team already. 4 games in and it's all said and done. The Knicks don't even have to play the rest of the season cuz we already know how it's gonna end.
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by realhiphop:
Posted by islesfan:

[quote]Posted by realhiphop:

I'm still baffled by the support that a few guys on here give Isiah. I hate to be playing the "company card", but all of the team building, feeding egos, so-called love that Isiah was going to give this team and help them restore confidence has been completely thrown out the window.

He's resorting to challenging his players by speaking to the press after only 4 games.
With all that's gone on with Isaiah, I once again, was skeptically willing to give him a clean slate. I had my own worries, but I wanted him to prove me wrong. I figured that I'd see if his concept of team building could work and put wins on the board. What's his reason for going back on his word? He's doing the same exact thing now that got Larry fired. I thought MSG policy was to not specifically call out the team in the media? Does he get a look the other way? How can you support a guy who's word has no merit?
Great post. Very clear and concise.
[Edited by - realhiphop on 11-08-2006 11:39 AM]

The policy doesn't say that you can't comment on things in the media, just that you don't use the media as the way you communicate with your players. Isiah actually speaks to his players DIRECTLY. He let's them know what he wants and he keeps confidential discussions in the lockerroom. The idea that he's never going to comment in any negative sense about the team is ridiculous. He hasn't made any personal attacks on anyone in the press. He's only stated what he expects from his players and what they can expect from him.

It's amazing to me how quickly most fans have given up on this team already. 4 games in and it's all said and done. The Knicks don't even have to play the rest of the season cuz we already know how it's gonna end.

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11/8/2006  1:47 PM
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Posted by arkrud:

The situation with Rangers dismentaling is repeating itself.
Unfortinately it will be no lockout in NBA.
Dolan needs to say goodby to 100-150 mils or sell the team...
The team value is probably so low now that these options are almout indentical.
To sell the team to some venture group and get money back from Garden and facilities rent can be a better choise.
The correct way to buy the Knicks is to buy the Garden, MSG Network Rangers Knicks Liberty etc..--it's the entire package that has the appeal to an investor. But that is a BIG price tag and would be a rough negotiation to get something that big done. 100% ownership of all entities will be +1B maybe 1.5B--Either you are mega-rich like woody johnson or you have a group that wants to change and develop Garden to bring out more value? Im sure there have been packages brought to the Dolan Group. Dolan's have such HUGE cash flow that even with the rediculous expenditures they have money coming out of their trees on their lawn. They can do whatever they want.

You forgot to add that the dolans are in the midst of a major real estate deal where they will build a new garden and then develop new office space on the current garden location. That is major money and the knicks in comparison are chump change.
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11/9/2006  7:56 AM
>>It's amazing to me how quickly most fans have given up on this team already. 4 games in and it's all said and done. The Knicks don't even have to play the rest of the season cuz we already know how it's gonna end.

Nixluva - if you want a sample, read the game thread from the Denver game. People jumping ship like the Knicks were doomed to fail, while refusing to watch what was actually happening on the court with any hope.

You play to win the game.

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11/17/2006  11:52 PM
Imagine the gnashing of teeth and stunned silence in the press if Isiah continues to hold his young teams attention...

The so-called "swan song" could start sounding more like, "Go NY Go NY Go!"

wouldn't THAT be fun?

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11/17/2006  11:59 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Imagine the gnashing of teeth and stunned silence in the press if Isiah continues to hold his young teams attention...

The so-called "swan song" could start sounding more like, "Go NY Go NY Go!"

wouldn't THAT be fun?



I don't know Earl, I'm ambivalent. If the Knicks keep on winning, I'm gonna miss communicating with so many of these guys...

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11/18/2006  12:07 AM
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I don't know Earl, I'm ambivalent. If the Knicks keep on winning, I'm gonna miss communicating with so many of these guys...

HAHA!! This coming from a guy who disappears when the Knicks lose. I didn't see you at the Garden on Wednesday. Guess who was there? All the non-Knicks fans. We paid our hard-earned money to hate on our favorite team... yeah, that's it.
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11/18/2006  12:09 AM
HAHA!! This coming from a guy who disappears when the Knicks lose.

What are you talking about? Please tell me which game I stopped posting after if you can! Don't make stuff up evil!

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